Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!husc6!rutgers!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!cwjcc!neoucom!wtm From: wtm@neoucom.UUCP (Bill Mayhew) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Courier HST/IX Summary: They said to expect a TB killer in 3rd qtr of 1988 Keywords: 30,000 bps, USR Message-ID: <1414@neoucom.UUCP> Date: 16 Nov 88 16:21:16 GMT References: <1414@nmtsun.nmt.edu> Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine Lines: 60 The HST/IX mentioned sounds like something that some people from USR that I talked to last June referred to as a "TB killer". They claimed taht it would have 2x the thoughput for the same price as a TB modem. They also said that it would have uucp spoofing. It sounds like they may have delivered. By the way, I heard (but can't verify) that some of the people working on the TB killer used to work for Telebit. I'm not sure that I'm ready to change yet. We don't have any machine here that can honestly feed a continuous stream of data into the modem at 30 Kbaud with the uucp g protocol, even with spoofing. We use a separate 3b1 to handle all our traffic that goes out through the TB modems, as the tty drivers of BSD 4.2 are pretty lousy. It was easier to go to the 3b1 for us than to try to rehack the drivers. We're switching over to Ultrix, so it will be interesting to see if we can get better performance for our Vaxen's serial ports. Interestingly, the HST/IX is starting to get pretty close to what Shannon's theorm gives as the ultimate amount of data that can be sent though a dial-up phone circuit. The Shannon-Hartley law states: H = B log_2( 1 + ( P / No B ) ) in bits per second H : channel capacity in bps B : bandwidth of channel in Hz P : received power in watts No : single sided noise power spectral density in watts / Hz This, of course, assumes that the noise received has a gaussian distribution, which may or may not be true in a phone circuit. I guestimated that an average phone cirucit has a usable bandwidth of about 2600 Hz. Tyical S/N ratio for phone lines these days is about 45 dB. Putting that into the above gives me ~38,800 bps. I work in medical electronics as opposed to telephony, so apologies in advance if I've made stupid assumptions here. Reference: _Satelite Communications_. Pratt, Timothy and Charles Bostian, Wiley Books, New York. 1986. p 284. I don't have Shannon's paper, but you might want to look it up: "A Mathematic Theory of Communications", _Bell System Technical Journal_, Part I. 1948. pp 623-656 Another possibility might be that the HST/IX has some nifty data compression sceme, that gives a high thoughput if the data resembles english (or some other language) text. A Trailblazer can give astronomically high throughputs if you feed it 100K of the same character with compression enabled. One must look into what sort of data it is upon which the transfer statistics are based. Please note!! I'm not saying at all that USR is fibbing; just be sure to check it out; Shannon certainly says it is possible. --Bill return mail path: ...!lll-winken!scooter!neoucom!impulse!wtm