Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!husc6!purdue!decwrl!eda!jim From: jim@eda.com (Jim Budler) Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp Subject: Re: registering UUCP sites Message-ID: <372@eda.com> Date: 23 Nov 88 15:44:37 GMT References: <1165@fig.bbn.com> <124@minya.UUCP> <1218@fig.bbn.com> <12649@steinmetz.ge.com> Reply-To: jim@eda.com (Jim Budler) Organization: EDA Systems,Inc. Santa Clara, CA Lines: 99 In article <12649@steinmetz.ge.com> davidsen@crdos1.UUCP (bill davidsen) writes: | In article <1218@fig.bbn.com> rsalz@bbn.com (Rich Salz) writes: | [...] | | somebody INSIDE YOUR ORGANIZATION and say "anybody using the | | name 'host'?" [...] | What organization? With the advent of cheap unix-pcs and <$300 [...] So fine, in order to get on UUPC this cheap unix-pc has to arrange a connect with SOME OTHER MACHINE. | Domains were intended to be a solution, not a religion. The idea that | some domains be formed to represent organizations is obvious; group all They can't be a solution if people don't use them. | The .us domain is purely geographic, and there is little reason to | think that sites in the same area would be in some way connected. Trying | to use location as a domain is for the gratification of domain gurus, | since there is no reason to think that sixwbn.albany.ny.us would even | know that bilzvax.albany.ny.us exists. That is, machines are allowed to | *register* but there seems to be no reason to believe that they can | connect. As much reason as there is to believe they cannot connect. This one paragraph is the reason I am responding to this posting. Why use that statement "for the gratification of the domain gurus" at all. Because they are trying to find a solution to a difficult problem, you talk about it as if they were working hard at the problem for their own jollies, not to solve a problem. And .uucp is an unworkable solution. It is world-wide in scope, therefore to pick a name, you have to search the world to make sure the name you pick is unique. The point you miss is that the entire purpose of domains, whether organizational, or geographical, is to reduce the size of the area YOU have to search for uniqueness. | How much better, then, to use .uucp as the domain for the usenet. | Machines in the map can connect, and I can assume that joesbar.uucp will They can? Well if you are registered in a domain, you are in the map, aren't you? So your two hypothetical machines in .ny.us can connect. | somewhat be reachable from armpitz.uucp. ^^^^^^^^ key word and concept. | A domain should be composed of | a group of machines which are all known and deliverable from a gateway. | What gateway do we have for .us? From d.Top: apple .arpa, .com, .gov, .mil, .edu, .org, .net, .us, .ca decwrl .arpa, .com, .gov, .mil, .edu, .org, .net, .us, .ca harvard .arpa, .com, .gov, .mil, .edu, .org, .net, .us, .ca rutgers .arpa, .com, .gov, .mil, .edu, .org, .net, .us, .ca talcott .arpa, .com, .gov, .mil, .edu, .org, .net, .us, .ca ucbvax .arpa, .com, .gov, .mil, .edu, .org, .net, .us, .ca uunet .arpa, .com, .gov, .mil, .edu, .org, .net, .us, .ca ^^^ | | Fortunately good ideas are hard to keep down. As long as sites use | .uucp in a way that's meaningful to them it will be workable, even if | not blessed by an athority. I realize that uunet would like to get a | registration fee and connect fee from every site on the net, but I doubt | that it will happen. [repeated] | How much better, then, to use .uucp as the domain for the usenet. | Machines in the map can connect, and I can assume that joesbar.uucp will The only reason this works FOR ATTEMPTING TO MAIL TO SITES WITHIN THE INTERNET is that the same listed as the root for .us, included above, are also listed in the maps as the domaing root for, TA-DA .UUCP!!! So all the time you have been complaining that the domain gurus are trying to take away your beloved .uucp, (you're right they are), they have been quietly *keeping* it working until they have a *working* replacement in hand. Because, despite your arguments, .uucp could cease to work at a moments notice if the Internet decided to disallow it as they have threatened to in the past. The effect on you? Well you suddenly couldn't get mail to a lot of sites you used to get mail to, and they suddenly couldn't get mail to you, as they used to. And one of the sites 'volunteering' to carry this traffic to YOU, even though you are not paying them a penny is the very site you accused of trying merely to increase their connect fees. My opinionated opinions are the sole property of me. jim -- Jim Budler address = uucp: ...!{decwrl,uunet}!eda!jim OR domain: jim@eda.com #define disclaimer "I do not speak for my employer" #define truth "I speak for myself" #define result "variable"