Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!ncrlnk!ncrcae!hubcap!gatech!mcnc!thorin!clocs!davis From: davis@clocs.cs.unc.edu (Mark Davis) Newsgroups: comp.misc Subject: Re: CALL FOR VOTES: DID HE DO US A SERVICE OR NOT? Summary: He did a disservice because he encourages others and plugging all of the holes is impossible. Message-ID: <5272@thorin.cs.unc.edu> Date: 11 Nov 88 21:41:25 GMT References: <1330@stiatl.UUCP> <202@hsi86.hsi.UUCP> <6081@killer.DALLAS.TX.US> Sender: news@thorin.cs.unc.edu Distribution: na Lines: 25 All of you who claim that Morris did us a service are overlooking an important point: you can't plug all of the insecurities. A security hole is simply a bug in the security system. Any casual student of software engineering knows that removing all bugs in a large, complex system is impossible (See "Mythical Man Month" by Fred Brooks for data.) By the way, would any UNIX/Internet wizard care to extimate how many security holes have already been plugged? Therefore, security holes will be with us as long as we have an internet that is useful. Bright people will always be able to find those unfixed bugs. The worst thing is closing the security problems will result in a less usable system or worse, new bugs that break the existing applications. So what has Morris done for us? He has wasted a large amount of money (programmer time and computer resources). He has gained notoriety, thereby encouraging thousands of ethically lacking people with similar skills to one-up him by making a bigger splash. As I said above, the bigger splash will always be possible as long as there is an internet. No thank you Mr. Morris. You have not helped and you will hurt us a lot. You go on my list of people to never (1) hire or (2) buy or recommend their products. - Mark (davis@cs.unc.edu or decvax!mcnc!davis)