Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!husc6!rutgers!mcnc!ecsvax!PALEPINK@CC.UTAH.EDU From: PALEPINK@CC.UTAH.EDU Newsgroups: comp.society.women Subject: Effects of Lacan, Cisoux, etc., on women's position Message-ID: <5845@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Date: 14 Nov 88 07:00:00 GMT Sender: skyler@ecsvax.uncecs.edu Lines: 64 Approved: skyler@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Moderator -- Trish Roberts) Comments-to: comp-women-request@cs.purdue.edu Submissions-to: comp-women@cs.purdue.edu First, I haven't read Lacan, but the two people I know who've read *all* of her say that she doesn't really say that language is inherently masculine... The comment that disturbed me is somebody's contention that French criticism might affect American feminism and their faith in women's abilities. It looks to me that American feminists are doing a pretty good job of damning women by themselves (the ones I've read don't refer specifically to French theory, at least. There may have been strong influences). The articles I read, these last few years, on the progress of women in science, largely agree that women have reached their limit. This is because when Francis Bacon formulated the scientific method three hundred years ago he used phrases like "man can learn to exploit Nature for his benefit; she has much to give", so that the scientific method is inherently anti-woman and women's brains are incapable of creatively working in an anti-woman direction. (My roommate has been re-reading *The Republic*-- Plato--this weekend; we were just laughing about some of Socrates' more miserable pieces of bad logic--at the time, we were saying that nobody could get away with that today. We hoped.) Anyway, one woman (I'm told she tried to be a physicist, failed, and chooses to convince herself that *no* woman is intellectually capable of the job, but that's evil gossip) explains that Marie Curie wasn't a scientist, she was her husband's lab assistant. Women are capable of being lab assistants, of being yes-men (;-)), or of possibly contributing some minor work, but only if, like Emmy Noether, they renounce their femininity and become pseudo-men. Ghastly, no? What really bugs me is that the Physics Department at my college, as part of its genuinely well-intentioned attempt to encourage female students, had a very lengthy review/summary of this woman's book enshrined behind glass on the wall for a couple of years. They honestly thought that they were merely paying tribute to the extra effort women made. I can't tell you how devastating it felt to walk out of the library, half-dead, at two a.m., and discover that I only needed a shot of testosterone to make it all clear. Maybe it's true. Maybe women really *can't* think logically (Corollary: maybe I'm not really a woman, since I can never seem to think otherwise without chemical assistance...). But until somebody thinks up the way for curious folk like me to investigate the world without the constraints of an anti-woman language, dammit, they should shut up. All they're doing now is destructive to women who *do* feel comfortable with "masculine" thought as a discipline. Angry and blithering, Susan.