Path: utzoo!utgpu!watmath!clyde!att!osu-cis!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!cwjcc!hal!nic.MR.NET!tank!uxc!uxc.cso.uiuc.edu!m.cs.uiuc.edu!s.cs.uiuc.edu!carroll From: carroll@s.cs.uiuc.edu Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards Subject: Re: Crays and password cracking Message-ID: <216100009@s.cs.uiuc.edu> Date: 16 Nov 88 21:29:00 GMT References: <17550@adm.BRL.MIL> Lines: 21 Nf-ID: #R:adm.BRL.MIL:17550:s.cs.uiuc.edu:216100009:000:1175 Nf-From: s.cs.uiuc.edu!carroll Nov 16 15:29:00 1988 /* Written 6:28 pm Nov 15, 1988 by ds@arson.cray.com in s.cs.uiuc.edu:comp.unix.wizards */ /* ---------- "Crays and password cracking" ---------- */ In V6#016, jerry@olivey.olivetti.com (Jerry Aguirre) writes: >(...) the Cray is not a very fast CPU for non-vector operations. There may well be machines faster than Crays for scalar (non-vector) operations, I don't know. The benchmarks that I have seen have generally concentrated on vector operations. But if a 6.4 nanosecond clock qualifies as "not very fast", I wonder what you need to be "fast" ;-) Dave Sielaff /* End of text from s.cs.uiuc.edu:comp.unix.wizards */ Ah, I think the problem here is 'fast' vs. 'fast/unit$'. There are a number of machine faster *per dollar* than a Cray for *scalar* operations. What that means is that for a fixed budget, you can get more scalar power for cracking passwords. However, if you already have access to a Cray and/or don't have to pay for it yourself, that's a different ball game. P.S. Numbers - Cray cycle approx 5ns -> about 200 Mips. Sun workstation, about 4 Mips. Factor of 50 in speed (*scalar*), but a Cray costs a lot more than 50 times a 4Mips sun workstation.