Xref: utzoo comp.unix.wizards:12628 news.sysadmin:1592 Path: utzoo!utgpu!watmath!clyde!att!cuuxb!dlm From: dlm@cuuxb.ATT.COM (Dennis L. Mumaugh) Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards,news.sysadmin Subject: Re: The Internet Virus--Another issue Summary: how can you recall broken software Message-ID: <2213@cuuxb.ATT.COM> Date: 19 Nov 88 17:38:10 GMT References: <1460@ucsfcca.ucsf.edu. <236@bigbroth.UUCP. <5365@medusa.cs.purdue.edu. <654@optilink.UUCP> <7715@boring.cwi.nl> <17849@glacier.STANFORD.EDU> Reply-To: dlm@cuuxb.UUCP (Dennis L. Mumaugh) Organization: ATT Data Systems Group, Lisle, Ill. Lines: 46 In article <17849@glacier.STANFORD.EDU> jbn@glacier.UUCP (John B. Nagle) writes: In article <7715@boring.cwi.nl> jack@cwi.nl (Jack Jansen) writes: When a serious defect in a car is found the manufacturer usually calls all cars with the defect back and repairs them for free. Federal law requires this. Under heavy pressure from Ralph Nader, Congress, during the 1960s, required mandatory recalls for safety-related defects and for certain other problems. The manufacturers often initiate "voluntary" recalls as well, but this is to head off action by the Department of Transportation. Interestingly, the manufacturers are not required to inform vehicle owners of the recall; they can let the Government do that. The day may come when we see such legislation for computers. There are major problems with software bug fixes and recalls. The main difference between software and computers on one hand and cars on the other is that someone knows exactly who owns each car by serial number. That is the DMV has a list. In theory a list of all defective vehicles could be supplied and somewhat later a mailing list returned by each of the 54 DMV's. [54 you say? Yes 50 states, DC, PR, VI and Guam. I ignore CZ and non-US jurisdictions.] Of course most car manuafacturers keep their own private list [also good for sending mail on new models, etc.] Consider computers. These days the computer is sold by a distributor or a Value Added Reseller (VAR) or by your local computer shop. The manufacturer probably doesn't have a foggiest idea who has it. Similarly for the software -- its sold in shrink wrapped packages at the 7-11 these days [honest injun!]. And even if they could track the original purchase, do they track re-sold computers and software? Thus the value of the "warranty registration" cards appliance manufacuturers have. Of course most software warranties are "if the floppies are bad we'll send a new set". Hence the reason major vendors offer support for their products at a fee. But how many PC or even UNIX(R) owners pay for support? -- =Dennis L. Mumaugh Lisle, IL ...!{att,lll-crg}!cuuxb!dlm OR cuuxb!dlm@arpa.att.com