Xref: utzoo news.misc:2076 soc.culture.jewish:8336 Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!husc6!rutgers!njin!princeton!njsmu!mccc!pjh From: pjh@mccc.UUCP (Pete Holsberg) Newsgroups: news.misc,soc.culture.jewish Subject: Re: Racist jokes Message-ID: <438@mccc.UUCP> Date: 24 Nov 88 22:13:44 GMT References: <8030@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU. <1058@osupyr.mast.ohio-state.edu. <423@mccc.UUCP. <691@optilink.UUCP> Reply-To: pjh@mccc.UUCP (Pete Holsberg) Organization: The College On The Other Side of U. S. Route 1 Lines: 59 In article <691@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes: =In article <423@mccc.UUCP., pjh@mccc.UUCP (Pete Holsberg) writes: =. In article <251@blake.acs.washington.edu. mcglk@blake.acs.washington.edu (Ken McGlothlen) writes: =. =I'm a thinking human being--I know the stereotypes, and know that they =. =don't necessarily hold. =. =. Good. Then we don't have to worry about the cumulative effect of jokes =. like these on you. But we do worry about the effect on others. Look at =. World War II Germany to see the effect of not protesting stereotypes. = =Where are these stupid people? Not reading USENET, I hope. But more =important, one of the greatest concerns a liberal has never himself, =or you, but "someone else" who isn't clever enough to think too clearly. I wouldn't call them "stupid". "Ignorant" is the word that comes to mind. Are you calling me a "liberal"? Thank you. I don't feel that I'm my brother's keeper as I think you're implying, but I am concerned that there are some ignorant people (who may infact be *very* clever) who may misconstrue these stereotypes. Surely you've run into some of these? Seen them on TV? =Maybe the people on USENET really aren't any smarter -- just better =educated. And better education is no panacea for this problem. Ignorance is completely independent of "smartness". I'm sure that people who read Usenet postings have higher IQs than the general populice, and that they have better educations. But my impression is that, in general, their education is technical, and that kind of education usually gives sort shrift to liberal studies. =. Maybe Templeton isn't a racist, per se, but if he encourages the posting =. of material that could influence people to have negative feelings about =. any group by reinforcing the stereotype, then he is contributing to the problem. =. =. Pete Holsberg UUCP: {...!rutgers!}princeton!mccc!pjh = =Mike Dukakis was running around the country giving speeches talking about ="rich people" in the same style as certain racists talk about blacks. =Maybe there should be laws preventing Dukakis' stereotyped, negative, =class-struggle promoting speeches? =-- =Clayton E. Cramer =..!ames!pyramid!kontron!optilin!cramer Two points. (1) Bush was doing the same thing with "liberals". (2) Neither rich people nor liberals are PERSECUTED MINORITIES. I'm not attacking Brad, just his judgement. Again, I'm concerned about anything that perpetuates NEGATIVE stereotypes about PERSECUTED MINORITIES. (Sorry about the shouting, but it seemed like you weren't seeing those words when I wrote them in lower case.) Happy Thanksgiving, Pete -- Pete Holsberg UUCP: {...!rutgers!}princeton!mccc!pjh Mercer College CompuServe: 70240,334 1200 Old Trenton Road GEnie: PJHOLSBERG Trenton, NJ 08690 Voice: 1-609-586-4800