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From: pjh@mccc.UUCP (Pete Holsberg)
Newsgroups: news.misc,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Racist jokes
Message-ID: <448@mccc.UUCP>
Date: 27 Nov 88 17:43:01 GMT
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Reply-To: pjh@mccc.UUCP (Pete Holsberg)
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In article <8842@rpp386.Dallas.TX.US> jfh@rpp386.Dallas.TX.US (The Beach Bum) writes:
=In article <438@mccc.UUCP> pjh@mccc.UUCP (Pete Holsberg) writes:
=>In article <691@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
=>=Mike Dukakis was running around the country giving speeches talking about
=>="rich people" in the same style as certain racists talk about blacks.
=>=Maybe there should be laws preventing Dukakis' stereotyped, negative,
=>=class-struggle promoting speeches?
=>
=>Two points.  (1)  Bush was doing the same thing with "liberals".  (2) 
=>Neither rich people nor liberals are PERSECUTED MINORITIES.
=>
=>I'm not attacking Brad, just his judgement.  Again, I'm concerned about
=>anything that perpetuates NEGATIVE stereotypes about PERSECUTED
=>MINORITIES.  (Sorry about the shouting, but it seemed like you weren't
=>seeing those words when I wrote them in lower case.)
=
=So, let me get this straight.  Clayton Cramer wants to know why it is
=okay for Mike Dukakis to run around stereotyping conservatives and the
=rich as uncaring bastards if it isn't okay to stereotype Jews and Scots
=as greedy tightwads.  Did I get this part correct?

I don't know; you have to ask Clayton.

=And Pete Holsberg reminds us that greedy, selfish, uncaring, conservative
=bastards aren't a persecuted minority, so of course it is okay to
=negatively stereotype them.  Did I get this part correct?

No.  Those are *your* adjectives, not mine.

=So, in other words, it is perfectly okay to stereotype christian-white-males
=as goose-stepping-jew-killing-nazi-lovers because we belong to some
=particular socio-economic group.

Well, if you say so, John.  I'm not in favor of stereotyping people by
socio-economic group -- or any other way.  OTOH, if it makes for a funny
story, I guess that Brad would post it.  Do you know a joke about
goose-stepping-jew-killing-nazi-lovers?

=This really is a good thing to know, because before Pete pointed out that 
=this was the proper behaviour, I didn't have the slightest clue that I 
=was directly responsible for the holocaust, the Mideast wars and the 
=entire Skinhead Nation.  I have really been a very bad person these last 
=fifty years or so.  

Aha!!  So *you're* the guy who's been behind all that!!  I hope you turn
yourself in to the nearest CIA office first thing Monday morning.

I'm happy that I was able to provide you will some enlightenment. 
Consider attending church and asking for forgiveness.

Pete

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