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From: wcf@psuhcx.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Newsgroups: news.admin,news.software.b
Subject: Re: Who is munging article headers (Berkeley, I suspect), and WHY?
Message-ID: <1062@psuhcx.psu.edu>
Date: 18 Nov 88 16:33:31 GMT
References: <115@sickkids.UUCP>
Reply-To: wcf@psuhcx (Bill Fenner)
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In article <115@sickkids.UUCP> mark@sickkids.UUCP (Mark Bartelt) writes:
|This morning, I was surprised to see an article, which I posted last
|Friday (and read), mysteriously reappear.  Odd, I thought.  Even if it
|had found its way back here, the netnoise software should have tossed
|it in the dustbin, since it's already in the history file, right?
|
|Then I had a look at the header.  Lookie here:
|
|   Message-ID: <112@sickkids.UUCP>
|   ---
|   Message-ID: <8811140701.AA07480@jade.berkeley.edu>
|
|Who, and by what authority, is trashing my Message-ID, and replacing it
|with one of their own?  Oh, yeah, they changed my Organization, too:
|
|   Organization: Hospital for Sick Children, Toronto
|   ---
|   Organization: The Internet
|
|Gee, I didn't know I'd changed employers.  They made a few other changes,
|as well.  For example, someone decided that the message shouldn't have
|gone to both the newsgroups I posted the article to, so they chose the
|one they considered appropriate:
|
|   Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm,comp.protocols.misc
|   ---
|   Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm
|
Is comp.protocols.ibm an inet group?  If so, the message probably went
to the mailing list, then back to Berkeley, who gatewayed it back into
USENET.  Problem.

|Here's the Path line, folded for easier readability:
|
|   Path: sickkids!lsuc!attcan!uunet!husc6!mailrus!ames!pasteur!
|           ucbvax!sickkids.UUCP!mark
|
|The article left here (sickkids) via lsuc, thence (I presume) attcan.
|From there, who knows?  Note that Berekeley has removed all the sites
|between us (sickkids.UUCP) and them (ucbvax), so it's impossible to
|tell what path it actually took to get there.  My original intent was
Well, it makes sense, if they got the message from the mailing list
(which they origionally sent there, but that's beside the point) as from
mark@sickkids.UUCP, that would be a reasonable path line.

|Anyway, am I being reasonable in considering all the above examples of
|header munging to be wrong, *wrong*, WRONG?  If so, would it be asking
|too much to suggest that the people responsible for this spend some time
|to fix it?
|
It's very wrong, but it wasn't done as a part of the netnews software;
it happened as apart of the inet gatewaying (at least I think it was.)

  Bill
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