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From: clb@loci.UUCP (Charles Brunow)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
Subject: Re: The viral high ground--go for it while I puke in the corner
Summary: Actions speak louder.
Message-ID: <161@loci.UUCP>
Date: 11 Nov 88 20:28:38 GMT
References: <16672@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> <7882@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> <16800@agate.BERKELEY.EDU>
Organization: Loci Products, 75083
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> >In article <16672@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> weemba@garnet.berkeley.edu (Obnoxious Math Grad Student) writes:
> 
> ... , note that I'm
> NOT suggesting that anything crippling be done--just something that keeps
> security a high company/university/institute priority across ARPANET and
> elsewhere.  I simply do not expect this attitude to come voluntarily.
> 
> ucbvax!garnet!weemba	Matthew P Wiener/Brahms Gang/Berkeley CA 94720

	Just do it.  All this blathering back and forth isn't going to
	do any good.  Use the time to write a monthly virus and announce
	"THIS IS A TEST" and send it.  We should vote on whether or not
	to moderate it, of course, and then do it anyway.  If you're
	looking for analogies, how about Pasteur and his dead germs.

	I can't see how a good defense for viruses can be developed
	by people who have no first hand experience with them.  We
	really need to play around with these types of things if we
	are to claim knowledge of effective defenses.  And I'd love
	to see just how secure we really are, wouldn't you? I especially
	like to see smug fat cats get theirs,  you know the "head-in-
	the-sand" defense which leaves their tail waving around in the
	air.

	We should also have a newsgroup for virus/worm/cracker postings.
	We know that they have better communications and more time
	to devote to the subject than the typical sys-admin.  We could
	let them tell us what's what instead of worrying about whether
	or not they're reading the security lists.  Maybe this should
	start out as a mailing list, and then use a worm to install the
	group net wide?  Worlds of possibilities!



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