Xref: utzoo news.admin:3992 news.sysadmin:1453 Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!husc6!bloom-beacon!mcgill-vision!iros1!ouareau!goutier From: goutier@ouareau.iro.umontreal.ca (Claude Goutier) Newsgroups: news.admin,news.sysadmin Subject: Some worms reflexions Message-ID: <746@mannix.iros1.UUCP> Date: 14 Nov 88 15:39:15 GMT References: <361@itivax.UUCP> <367@execu.UUCP> <1294@tmpmbx.UUCP> <367@itivax.UUCP> <709@stylus.cme-durer.ARPA> Sender: news@iros1.UUCP Reply-To: goutier@iros1.UUCP (Claude Goutier) Organization: Universite de Montreal Lines: 42 In respect to the worm incident, remember that Happyness doesn't rhyme with Sloppiness. There could be much fun and challenge in tightening up a system while keeping it friendly for the end user. Releasing an official version of a program like SENDMAIL with debugging options turned on (especially when those are compromising the security of the system) seems to me a lack of concern and responsability. Like the modeline in VI, this make me think of mild trojan horses casually left over just in case it might prove helpfull in some futur. About the worm creator, I think he lacks of maturity and responsabilty. I dont think that his purpose was to make people think more seriously about security. He should have known that showing a flaw is not enough to remove that flaw (Have you heard of new releases of UNIX systems with the sendmail option turned off yet for thoses sites which received/payed for binary only?). When he realised that his worm/baby went astray, did he help to repair his mischief? As for programming, he was clever but missed his point since the worm didn't went unnoticed, rather the contrary. Thus a faulty program and an experiment that turned sour. This do not qualify as brilliant. On a second thought, would you hire such a programmer? Now think of the other smart good guy which do not put his name in the front page of the newspapers but which nevertheless do a real contribution to the field of computer science (think about Larry Wall, Henry Spencer, Richard Stallman, etc. just a few names thrown "pele-mele"). In conclusion, we should put more energy on closing up gaps in our systems, than debating the mishap or virtue of the people who illustrate the failures of our systems by absurdum. To do otherwise is just a waste of resources and energy. -- Claude Goutier Centre de calcul, Universite de Montreal C.P. 6128, Succ "A", Montreal (Quebec) goutier@iro.umontreal.ca Canada H3C 3J7 (514) 343-7234