Xref: utzoo sci.space.shuttle:2060 talk.politics.misc:18024 Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!husc6!ogccse!blake!uw-beaver!teknowledge-vaxc!sri-unix!garth!smryan From: smryan@garth.UUCP (Steven Ryan) Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,talk.politics.misc Subject: Internationalist posturings. Summary: You can't get there from here. Message-ID: <1969@garth.UUCP> Date: 23 Nov 88 21:44:43 GMT Reply-To: smryan@garth.UUCP (Steven Ryan) Distribution: na Organization: INTERGRAPH (APD) -- Palo Alto, CA Lines: 182 `There is a well of anti-Americanism.' -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Amos Shapir Date: Sun, 13 Nov 88 14:45:41 -0200 To: garth!smryan Subject: Re: Changing Spencer's signature Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,talk.politics.misc In-Reply-To: <1879@garth.UUCP> Organization: National Semiconductor (IC) Ltd, Israel Home of the 32532 Hdate: 4 Kislev 5749 Status: R In article <1879@garth.UUCP> you write: .... Funny it should come from me, but I have actually had to *learn* English... I don't mean to be petty, but if you want to be read seriously, better start writing seriously, or at least filter everything through 'spell'. -- Amos Shapir amos@nsc.com National Semiconductor (Israel) P.O.B. 3007, Herzlia 46104, Israel Tel. +972 52 522261 TWX: 33691, fax: +972-52-558322 34 48 E / 32 10 N (My other cpu is a NS32532) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- An argument technique with all the subtlety of tear gas and plastic bullets. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tracy Tims Message-Id: <8811150545.AA15266@watmath> To: garth!smryan Subject: Re: Changing Spencer's signature Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,talk.politics.misc In-Reply-To: <1879@garth.UUCP> Organization: U. of Waterloo, Ontario Cc: Status: R In general I agree with you. If you aren't paying, you're a spectator. Sometimes Henry's agressive comments about the U.S. space program leave me a little uncomfortable. (Although sometimes the situation is more complicated, which is why nations have foreign policy. Our actions don't exist in isolation.) But this amuses me: >- Does Canada still have an Official Secrets Act? I don't keep track of these > things. I do think it is rather tacky for any country which does have such > legislation to critise another which does protect freedom of speech, at > least in principle. > > Our Bill of Rights applies to everybody > within our borders, regardless of citizenship. How often does that occur? > In fact, how many countries even have a Bill of Rights? This is such an apparently typical U.S. view! Because your country has these particularly worded laws (which only seem to be observed when convenient) you think that somehow you are more "free". The attitudes of the people are at least as important as the statutes. And I have news for you. We're pretty free up here! You don't see hordes of oppressed Canadians (or Western Europeans) coming to the U.S. because they aren't free at home. Forgive me (because I don't want this to sound as strong as it will, and I am sure you are a reasonable person) but the two paragraphs above are what us hicks usually think of as "typical American ideological arrogance." There are positive aspects of U.S. culture and politics, but there are negative aspects as well. The same is true for other equally civilized countries. It's just that some of the details are different. Tracy Tims "Help, help, I'm being repressed." :-) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm sure this is a comfort to all those of Northern Ireland as the UK Parliament `adjusts' their civil liberties. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Hayman To: garth!smryan Subject: Re: Changing Spencer's signature Status: R You know, it's entirely possible that none of *YOUR* tax dollars went to the shuttle program either. So you have just as much right to criticize the shuttle program as anybody else. Sheesh, lighten up a bit. Canada and the US are supposed to be friends. ..Steve hayman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In this country, we don't pick and choose what our taxes are spent on. Friends don't pick at injuries of their friends. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: garth!smryan Subject: Re: Changing Spencer's signature Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,talk.politics.misc In-Reply-To: <1879@garth.UUCP> Organization: McGill University, Computer Vision and Robotics Lab Cc: Status: R In article <1879@garth.UUCP> you write: >My, my, my. > >Aren't we just so full of `I'm so international' posturings. I don't normally respond to this sort of crap, but in this case GROW UP. It appears to me that you are a good reason Americans have such a bad reputation internationally. On the other hand, my girlfriend is from DC, so it can't be all American's. You must just be a jerk. Henry Cox -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deleted were all the Canadian efforts at world peace and understanding such as the peace corps, reliefs, and the futile efforts of the foreign minister to bring peace to the middle east last spring. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: comp.lang.c Subject: Re: Racism on comp.lang.c (was Re: Variable-length messages.) Message-ID: <444@geovision.UUCP> Date: 13 Nov 88 03:48:50 GMT Article-I.D.: geovisio.444 Posted: Sat Nov 12 19:48:50 1988 Date-Received: 20 Nov 88 18:21:42 GMT References: <1695@garth.UUCP> <140@twwells.uucp> <1737@garth.UUCP> Reply-To: pt@geovision.UUCP (Paul Tomblin) Organization: GeoVision Corp, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 32 Summary: International diplomacy is a two way street In article <1737@garth.UUCP> smryan@garth.UUCP (Steven Ryan) writes: > >Like forgetting about international diplomancy. Also anyone has the right >to decide the internal affairs of other countries even though he does not >have to pay the consequences. Deciding the affairs of other countries? Is that like Reagan coming on Canadian TV to tell us why we have to be good little Americans and vote for Brian Mulroney? Or is that like putting in a signature line talking about our "Unfair" subsidies, like decent Medicare, Unemployment Insurance, and protection for the Environment. I suspect you voted for Reagan because of his famous "Trees cause more pollution than people" speach. Or was it because of James Watt? Sorry, I know this goes somewhere else, but I didn't start this! Canada is not Grenada, Iran or Nicaragua. Keep your gun-boat diplomacy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apparently my mistake was including a statement about Canada's quest to establish its own identity. The appropriate action for a true internationalist is to attack and insult anybody who disagrees with him. postscript. I really enjoyed all your comments above pointing out who G Dyer is. -- -- s m ryan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As loners, Ramdoves are ineffective in making intelligent decisions, but in groups or wings or squadrons or whatever term is used, they respond with an esprit de corps, precision, and, above all, a ruthlessness...not hatefulness, that implies a wide ranging emotional pattern, just a blind, unemotional devotion to doing the job.....