Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!lll-winken!lll-lcc!ames!nrl-cmf!ukma!gatech!purdue!bu-cs!mirror!rayssd!raybed2!linus!mbunix!bwk From: bwk@mitre-bedford.ARPA (Barry W. Kort) Newsgroups: comp.ai Subject: Re: Defining Machine Intelligence. Summary: Mastering the creation of consciousness. Keywords: I am. I think. Therefore I think I am. Message-ID: <42964@linus.UUCP> Date: 13 Dec 88 14:48:40 GMT References: <484@soleil.UUCP> <4216@homxc.UUCP> <401@uwslh.UUCP> <1111@dukeac.UUCP> <404@uwslh.UUCP> <713@quintus.UUCP> <405@uwslh.UUCP> <622@htsa.uucp> <42361@linus.UUCP> <408@uwslh.UUCP> <42835@linus.UUCP> <14949@mimsy.UUCP> Sender: news@linus.UUCP Reply-To: bwk@mbunix (Barry Kort) Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, Mass. Lines: 54 I very much enjoyed reading Gary Anderson's fantasy about his grandaughter's science project. Gary posits the scenario which Christoperh Lishka and I suggested about a pre-conscious AI system unexpectedly asserting, "I am." In article <14949@mimsy.UUCP> anderson@secd.cs.umd.edu (Gary Anderson) writes: > INTRODUCTORY JOKE: > How would we know it wasn't a bug in the code, or a virus?:-) It's not a bug. It's a feature. :-) > If no one can find code which led to the behavior, then perhaps we have > found a machine with self awareness, and perhaps free will, but I don't > see how I can call this behavior artificial, any more than I can call > my granddaughter artificial. Aha. Perhaps the distinction between carbon-based consciousness and silicon-based consciousness is not in the nature of the consciousness, and not in the nature of the artificiality. Perhaps the distinction is just in the nature of the underlying molecular substrate. > I expect my granddaughter to have consciousness, free will, > and self awareness even if I have no real way to verify this. My only comment would be to change the word "have" to the word "achieve". > Yet, even though I am taking no > small part in her creation and development, > I feel awkward taking credit for her free > will and self awareness. Perhaps it would be fair to say that you empowered her to achieve those goals, but the achievement belongs to her. > MY QUESTION: > > In what sense can a researcher take credit for (claim as artificial) > any consciousness which he were able to observe in whatever artifact he > should create? Rather than "take credit", perhaps the researcher would be content to enjoy the fruits of his labor. > CONCLUDING JOKE: > > If the goal of artificial intelligence is to create entities with > consciousness, free will, and self awareness, there is an alternative > method which is a lot easier to master than LISP or Prolog. True. It's also easier to screw up. Perhaps some of us would like to make our mistakes on silicon substrates before we tackle the creation of the next generation of carbon-based life forms. --Barry Kort