Path: utzoo!utgpu!watmath!clyde!att!osu-cis!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!bloom-beacon!CCH.BBN.COM!bnevin From: bnevin@CCH.BBN.COM ("Bruce E. Nevin") Newsgroups: comp.ai.digest Subject: Re: Epistemology of Common Sense Message-ID: <8812191750.AA03769@BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU> Date: 28 Nov 88 13:41:36 GMT Sender: daemon@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU Organization: The Internet Lines: 87 Approved: ailist@ai.ai.mit.edu Subject: Re: Epistemology of Common Sense In AIList Digest for Wednesday, 23 Nov 1988 (Volume 8, Issue 131), we see a message submitted Wed, 16 Nov 88 19:47 EDT by Stephen Dourson (Dourson <"DPK100::DOURSON_SE%gmr.com"@RELAY.CS.NET>) in response to mine in #125, Mon, 7 Nov 88 11:21:08 EST), responding to McCarthy (#121, 31 Oct 88 2154 PST). Dourson presents a reductionist view that there are only physical facts, and that SD> "social 'facts'", "social | conventions", and so-called "higher values", all . . . are a | lot of floating fuzzy abstractions that signify nothing. Unfortunately, I can't understand his message. Nor can I respond to it. Nor can it constitute a response to mine. They cannot even be said to constitute messages. The physical facts are that there are oddly shaped icons projected in luminous phosphor on a rectangular surface in front of me, but the means to recognize them as letters, words, sentences, assumptions, conclusions, and so on are only fuzzy abstractions that have no bearing on their interpretation and their value. :-) Sure, my (hypothetical) robot can recognize physical facts. For example, it has sensors to distinguish colors, among them red, yellow, and green. But it also has to know that red in a certain context means to stop the car. That is a social fact, a matter of convention and law. SD> Knowledge of physical facts is an essential condition for knowing the | value of things. Perhaps you thought I was denying this? Social facts and physical facts are not in some kind of competition. Social facts are >>constituted of<< physical facts. This means that an identifiable configuration of physical facts `counts as' a given social fact. That hooded box hanging up there on the wire constitutes a traffic signal. The box is a physical fact, the fact that it constitutes a traffic signal is a social fact. The fact that I ought to govern my behavior in accord with the color of the light it has turned on is also a social fact. If I fail to do so, and a crossing truck wrecks my car, that is a physical fact. But it constitutes a range of social facts eventually involving liability, payment of damages, loss of privilege, and so on. Human behavior is rule governed (more accurately, rule oriented [Labov]). What this means is that these constitutive relationships may be formulated as rules. The literature to which I referred you investigates these regularities of human behavior. Language is an obvious example of social fact. Sounds and inscribed or projected shapes are physical facts. As soon as you start talking about phonemes (phonological contrasts of a language) and letters (graphological contrasts), you have involved yourself in social facts shared by the users of the given language. The contrast represented by l vs r is a fact in English, but not in Japanese. The physical facts are the same, but in one language they constitute a contrast that distinguishes words from one another, in the other language they do not. Sentences are not constituted directly of the sounds that form the physical basis of speech, they are constituted of words, which are constituted of morphemes, which are constituted of phonemes, which finally are constituted of physical sounds. (Substitute your favorite linguistic terminology, the principle holds.) This is entirely characteristic of social facts: most social facts are constituted of more primitive social facts by which the relation to physical facts is mediated. It is not simple. There is much ambiguity: a given behavior counts as a persistent reminder for one person, as nagging for another. The fact that these conventions are not ordinarily matters of conscious introspection does not make their investigation easier. It even makes is possible for people to deny that they exist. :-) It is even crucial that some social facts be deniable or at least out of conscious awareness: their inaccessibility is our only assurance of sincerity. We assume that body language, for instance, does not lie. Hence, our profound distrust of salesmen and actors. Finally, this is not a matter of being a conformist, an individualist, or what have you. Unless you are a hermit in a cave somewhere your survival very much depends upon your facility with the social facts of your life. And even the hermit probably talks to himself. Bruce Nevin bn@bbn.com