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From: eric@pyramid.pyramid.com ( sybase)
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Subject: Re: ORACLE on MAC
Message-ID: <50734@pyramid.pyramid.com>
Date: 12 Dec 88 16:02:31 GMT
References: <505@oracle.UUCP>
Reply-To: eric@pyramid.UUCP (Eric Bergan - sybase)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA
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In article <505@oracle.UUCP> blinder@oracle.uucp (Ben Linder) writes:
>
>From: davek@rtech.rtech.com (Dave Kellogg)
>Organization: Relational Technology New York City
>
>>In article <498@oracle.UUCP> blinder@oracle.uucp (Ben Linder) writes:
>
>>[miscellaneous self-back-patting omitted]
>
>>>ENOUGH. Since I work for Oracle, I don't want to sound like I'm advertising.
>
>>I would humbly submit that the above phrase is an oxymoron.  ;-).
>
>
>   WELL, DAVE LOOK HERE - 
>
>     I have gotten mail regarding my posting on Oracle for the MAC
>claiming that I was indeed advertising. That was not my intent, I was
>simply offering my observation of the product to someone who asked. I stated
>FACTS. If that is advertising, maybe we should ban all discussion of 
>pre-production software by employees of database companies.
>
>     Somehow, I think this newsgroup benefits from having us who know
>the source-code participate.

	From the original article:

In article <498@oracle.UUCP> blinder@oracle.uucp (Ben Linder) writes:

+   I am currently using Oracle on the MacIntosh, draft production version.
+It is a very solid beta, and the production dates are very near.
+it is a GREAT and unusual product combining the strengths of the 
+Oracle Database Kernel,Oracle's networking capabilities,
+and a hypertalk interface which brings a whole new object-oriented approach
+to things..
+
+   At COMDEX, Oracle demo'd a MAC hypercard application accessing
+databases on the MAC, XENIX, vax VMS, and SUN. Support for 3270 and LU6.2
+SQL*NET is also coming.
+
+ENOUGH. Since I work for Oracle, I don't want to sound like I'm advertising.
+Its a great product, I love it and will never go back to my COMPAQ MSDOS 
+world.

	I think what probably raised eyebrows was the marketing description
("GREAT and unusual product"), as opposed to technical discussion of the
way the product works. For instance, is hypertalk used for all facits
of the frontend tools? Or is a hypertalk application able to access Oracle
through some frontend glue? What communications mechanism is being
supported between the MAC and the outside world?

	I must say, I didn't give your initial posting a second thought,
it did seem like a marketing brochure, without any serious technical
content, but it didn't bother my sense of what is proper to post, either.
But I'm not sure you're on strong ground flaming back anyone that takes
you to task over it - after all, you mentioned in the original article
that it might sound too close to advertising.

	We now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion of how
to interface VSAM and dBase III...

							eric
							...!pyramid!eric