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From: matloff@bizet.Berkeley.EDU (Norman Matloff)
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Subject: Re: Student and Course Integrity  (was Rising cost of textbooks)
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Date: 12 Dec 88 19:38:55 GMT
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In article <842@quintus.UUCP> ok@quintus.UUCP (Richard A. O'Keefe) writes:

>Would it not be better to accept as many foreign students as want to come,
>but charge them?

The UC system does charge much higher tuition to foreign students.
There are SOME tuition waivers available to foreign students, but not 
enough for all of them.

Your suggestion sounds good but is exactly contrary to the best
interests of our country.  As I said, the majority of foreign students,
at least in engineering, come to this country because they hope to be
hired by a U.S. employer and sponsored for immigration by that employer.
These people make a tremendous contribution to our country, and our
country is in some ways being invigorated by their immigration.  Thus
it is clear we want the BEST foreign students to come here, not the 
RICHEST ones.

>sort of scholarship system could be worked out whereby a foreign student
>could be accomodated at a tax-supported instititued if s/he agreed to work
>a certain number of years in the USA.  How much does it cost to have a

As I said, the majority of foreign students would be delighted to do this, 
because their whole goal is to immigrate to the U.S. (permanently).  Those
from poor countries such as India and China would be especially pleased
with your plan, since they have no family funds to rely on while they
are in school here.

In my original posting, I said that the CA state legislature was being 
VERY shortsighted about this.  If they only had a chance to tour the 
Silicon Valley and see what a huge proportion of S.V. engineers are 
people who came here originally as foreign students, they would understand 
that foreign students SHOULD be considered (future) taxpayers.

   Norm