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From: matloff@bizet.Berkeley.EDU (Norman Matloff)
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Subject: Re: Student and Course Integrity  (was Rising cost of textbooks)
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Date: 12 Dec 88 19:51:39 GMT
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In article <15748@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> bobmon@iuvax.UUCP (RAMontante) writes:

>makes a lot more sense than quotas for foreign students.  They simply
>charge (much) higher rates for out-of-state students than for in-state
>students.

As I said, UC does this too, and a number of other state schools that I
am aware of do this, but it is contrary to the public interest, because
it selects for the RICH foreign students rather than for the SMART
foreign students.

>At risk of stereotyping, I will say that I have the impression these
>foreigners (mostly Asiatic, BTW) have the attitude that this
>instruction is something they've fought hard to earn (note that word),
>and that their future well-being depends on how well they absorb the
>education that's available to them.  They are also far more willing to

Yes, part of this is cultural, but the major factor is to do well enough
in school so as to be hired by a U.S. employer and sponsored for U.S.
immigration.

>As another, hypothetical example, if UCDavis receives applications from
>two U.S. citizens, one the child of Taiwanese parents and the other the
>child of parents from mainland China, it cannot choose one over the
>other merely because it prefers one country or the other, but it can
>choose either over an anglo-saxon with, say, Singaporean "nationality"
>(I'm sorry, I don't know -- is that P.R.C.?  U.K.?)

Yes, this is true.  The preference is to the taxpayers.  And again, they
don't even have to be citizens; U.S. permanent residents (i.e. recent
immigrants who can become citizens in a few years) are just as "domestic"
as citizens for admissions purposes.

Singapore is an independent country.  [What was that you were saying about
the quality of the schools you attended? :-) ]

   Norm