Xref: utzoo sci.math:5127 comp.edu:1568 Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!seismo!sundc!pitstop!sun!amdahl!johnm From: johnm@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (John Murray) Newsgroups: sci.math,comp.edu Subject: Re: Student and Course Integrity Message-ID: Date: 13 Dec 88 19:39:02 GMT References: <1131@osupyr.mast.ohio-state.edu> <1887@sun.soe.clarkson.edu> <2799@uhccux.uhcc.hawaii.edu> Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA Lines: 23 In article <2799@uhccux.uhcc.hawaii.edu>, lady@uhccux.uhcc.hawaii.edu (Lee Lady) writes: > . . . When a student's > main interest in my class is to earn whatever grade is acceptable to her, I > totally sympathize. It wasn't her idea to take the course, after all. > Some clown who drew up her major department requirements decided she > *needs* to know this stuff and so she should be *forced* to learn it. > > Now if a student *never* takes any courses for any reason except to earn a > grade, then she has the true mind-set of a victim and I feel very sad for her. > Why does she force herself to keep doing something she gets no joy from? Frequently, she does it in order to get a half-decent job. Period. This could be the result of a system which demands that maybe half of the nation's high school graduates "need" a college education as well. Under other education systems, perhaps only 10% get to go to college. It seems wrong somehow to expect an individual to survive four years in an "institute of higher learning and academic research", when clearly all they want is sufficient grades to leave and get a entry-level job. If high school standards were higher, the "need a college degree" mentality might be lessened. - John Murray (My own opinions, etc.)