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From: conliffe@caen.engin.umich.edu (Darryl C. Conliffe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re: why no native unix??
Summary: complaints, complaints
Keywords: just asking
Message-ID: <404c3798.1285f@maize.engin.umich.edu>
Date: 16 Dec 88 23:14:00 GMT
References: <18@draci.cs.uow.oz> <3ff525ae.14df5@ulsoy.engin.umich.edu> <1270@fai.UUCP>
Organization: U of M Engineering, Ann Arbor, Mich.
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In article <1270@fai.UUCP>, ronc@fai.UUCP (Ronald O. Christian) writes:
> In article <3ff525ae.14df5@ulsoy.engin.umich.edu> conliffe@caen.engin.umich.edu (Darryl C. Conliffe) writes:
> >
> >  Peter, I am curious about this, too.  Why did 
> >Apollo, and from your article, Pyramid, and Sequent , to name the few
> >you did, choose non-native Unix?
> 
> I didn't get in on the beginning of this, but Sequent Dynix is native
> 4.2 (with some 4.3 stuff) with support for their parallel hardware.  It
> also includes a SysV.2 environment layer.

I was merely noting what Peter noted in his
original message.  You'll have to ask Peter for
a clarification of his comparison.  Help, Peter?

> 
> >  Have you ever used Aegis?  I operate in 4.2, but use Aegis and
> >even V utilities all at the same time.
> 
> That's great for you, but we already have entirely too many dissimilar
> versions of Unix around here, and can't afford to add complexity by
> requiring our users (and administrator -- that's me!) to learn Aegis
> as well.
> 
> We (still) have a couple Domain 3000's laying around -- no one wants
> to use 'em, because no one wants to learn Yet Another Operating System.
> 
> The Apollo is a pretty box, and someday when they offer native Unix,
> we will definitely be interested.
> 

Well, Ron, I do not understand how a talented system
administrator such as yourself would have purchased unuseable
equipment.  I'd like to take them off your hands so they
wont take up any space.  Pack 'em up and ship 'em!
Seriously!  

I guess I am missing something here, Ron.  You do have
the option to use either 4.2 or V (9.7 level), as well
as Aegis.  You would not have to "learn" a whole new
operating system to handle the 4.2/Aegis or V/Aegis
seams.  Finally, you already make adjustments for
different dialects and hardware dependent features.  In
many cases, Aegis offers things Unix does not, so it is
not always a "step down" to use it.

Of course, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but
if you dislike Apollo workstations so much, why do you
have them?  (I am not being sarcastic.  I am
really asking for the basis of the decision that resulted
in such displeasure.)
> 
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 Darryl C. Conliffe  conliffe@caen.engin.umich.edu  (313) 721-6069
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