Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!tektronix!reed!psu-cs!hoofb
From: hoofb@psu-cs.UUCP (Bruce Hoof)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac
Subject: Re: PC Tools Deluxe Bug (long)
Summary: Butttt.
Message-ID: <1369@psu-cs.UUCP>
Date: 11 Dec 88 01:34:57 GMT
References: <11373@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU>
Reply-To: hoofb@psu-cs.UUCP (Bruce Hoof)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Portland State University; Portland OR
Lines: 70

In article <11373@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU> changwoo@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Chang P. Woo) writes:
>Do all of you remember how many of us have had jolly time for bashing on
>Symantec for making Symantec Utilities with bugs? Well, here is a similar,
>quite possibly worse case of PC Tools Deluxe by Central Point Software.
.....
>The story goes:
>
>A few days ago, I encountered a file that I could not erase. Whenever I put
>it into Trash can, my Mac gave me System Error 02. I could not figure out
>what was wrong, so painfully I had to globally restore my hard drive :-(
>
>Well, the very same thing happened to my friend's hard drive who also owns
>a copy of PC Tools Deluxe. He reinitialized his drive, and the problem was
>gone. To make the story short, he re-encountered the same problem yesterday
>and somehow suspected CPS Delete Tracking INIT (part of PC Tools) as the
>guilty party.  Surprisingly, he was right! As soon as he got rid of CPS
>Delete Tracking INIT, he was able to erase the file without any problem.
>
>The system error 02 with the undeletable file just happened to me for the
>second time.  Reminded of my friend's experience, I took the CPS Delete
>Tracking INIT out of my system folder.  Voila, I was able to erase the
>problematic file without encountering any problems. CPS Delete Tracking
>INIT is buggy!

	I don't know about this.  I have been using CPS Delete Tracking
for weeks now with no trouble.  Everytime I boot up there it is behaving
well in the background.  I will delete many things at once, one tends to
do that when he has a lots of files, with no problems.  In fact I have
Sums File delete tracking and CPS running at the same time.  Again no
trouble.  I run it with several inits, about nine - ten on average, and
encounter no problem. So you see why I am puzzled.

	Let me suggest a different cause to the problem.  CPS works fine
by itself and might work ok with other inits.  But an init is an init is an
init.  It will have conflicts from time to time with other inits.  I worked
hard to order the inits I now have.  If they do not load in the order that
I have them then my Mac will crash.  Some have to be loaded in before and
after certain inits.  My suggestion is that CPS is conflicting with another
init, or cdev.  If you want the CPS option then try to load it first.  That
might solve the problem.  

	On the other hand you might not want it so if it causes you pain then
don't use it.  Case in point.  I was fooling around with FadeToBlack that
was just posted on the net.  I thought it was neet till it crashed while
showing off its icon.  Obvously a conflict somewhere.  Don't need it because
I have been using something else for some time so I junked it.  Oh, well.

>We use SUM and PC Tools for securing our precious data. If we cannot put
>trust in them, where CAN we?

	True. But you have the option of not using them.  They are good
pieces of software and work for the most part.  They just are not perfect.
You do have to watch out from falling into that false sence of security
but in the end it is up to the user.  The last word in file protection is
to BACK IT UP.


Bruce Hoof

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