Xref: utzoo comp.edu:1717 sci.math:5265 sci.physics:5348 Path: utzoo!utgpu!watmath!clyde!att!osu-cis!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!mailrus!csd4.milw.wisc.edu!leah!itsgw!steinmetz!uunet!pdn!reggie From: reggie@pdn.UUCP (George W. Leach) Newsgroups: comp.edu,sci.math,sci.physics Subject: Re: Student preparedness Message-ID: <5237@pdn.UUCP> Date: 29 Dec 88 11:23:45 GMT References: <4893@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> <6435@killer.DALLAS.TX.US> <605@ucrmath.EDU> <2141@faline.bellcore.com> Reply-To: reggie@pdn.UUCP (George W. Leach) Organization: Paradyne Corporation, Largo FL Lines: 47 In article <2141@faline.bellcore.com> dph@faline.bellcore.com (Daniel P. Heyman) writes: [several examples of attempts to end "xeroxing" a lecture by students in their notes deleted] >The results were about the same. My theory is that students got >used to taking notes, got good grades by doing so, and won't change >something they don't regard as broke. Another aspect is: copying is >easy, thinking about what's going on is hard, and one takes the path >of least resistance. Good point! Many of the study habits and methods of learning are established by the time a student reaches the collegiate level. Unfortunately, I doubt there are very many secondary and elementary schools where why is stressed over how or the study of facts. I can recall my first semester of freshman calculous, where the instructor would spend 45 minutes in the lecture doing nothing but writing on the board and the class would do nothing but copy that information down on their notebooks. The guy never once turned around and faced the class to discuss something. He never let up with the chalk, filling one blackboard after another. The joke going around was that the TA sitting in the back of the room should have been following him along the black boards that covered the wall with an eraser, so that we could "learn" more in less time! I only recall experiencing extreme pain in my hand after that lecture every time. Fortunately, the person we had in the smaller group sessions tried hard to explain things. I think that the only way to discourage straight "xeroxing" of information is to try to encourage discussion and questions in the class. Just don't lecture, but try to establish a dialogue with the class. This is much more difficult for an instructor who can look bad if a question can not be answered. Somehow, the students must start to think. -- George W. Leach Paradyne Corporation ..!uunet!pdn!reggie Mail stop LG-129 Phone: (813) 530-2376 P.O. Box 2826 Largo, FL USA 34649-2826