Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!lll-winken!lll-lcc!ames!pasteur!ucbvax!noah.arc.CDN!kenw From: kenw@noah.arc.CDN (Ken Wallewein) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk Subject: Re: Help: Localtalk schemes Message-ID: <1856*kenw@noah.arc.cdn> Date: 5 Jan 89 15:06:00 GMT References: <3370@bgsuvax.UUCP> Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The Internet Lines: 26 I'm not sure about 3-pair cable, but I recently had an interesting experience with both electrical and safety characteristics of the 2-pair stuff. We've been stringing 'temporary' Phonenet wiring through the ceiling. We used standard phone wire (JKTN, or 'Jake'). I has asked the supplier for fire-safe cable, and through misunderstanding, he gave me wire with a (I believe) T-1 rating. This is _not_ plenum rating; it is not legal for ceilings which are used for return air. It also turns out that JKTN wiring is not two twisted pairs; all 4 wires are wrapped together, and twist is not really specified as far as I can see. I now have T-4 (teflon) plenum-rated 2 twisted pair cable. It's called 'intercom' cable, and costs about 50% more that the telephone cable: still cheap. To me, it's worth it; I'm considering specifying such cable for all future Phonenet wiring. I've had cases while running two Appletalk networks using both pairs of JKTN wiring, where I suspected crosstalk between them. Using this 'intercom' cable would just about rule that out. It is the same guage as the JKTN stuff, but the outside diameter is slightly greater. /kenw A L B E R T A Ken Wallewein R E S E A R C H kenw@noah.arc.cdn C O U N C I L