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From: pdg@draci.cs.uow.oz (Peter Gray)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re: why no native unix??
Summary: sorry,  maybe things *HAVE* changed
Message-ID: <36@draci.cs.uow.oz>
Date: 4 Jan 89 01:13:17 GMT
References: <259@olive.athertn.Atherton.COM> <4068750b.13e2d@apollo.COM> <408722ea.6bad@apollo.COM>
Organization: University of Wollongong
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In article <408722ea.6bad@apollo.COM>, tyager@apollo.COM (Tom Yager) writes:
> 
> You must be talking to the wrong people. Yeah, there are folks here who are
> resistant to change, but that problem's not specific to Apollo. 
> 
> stuff deleted.......
> 
> Aegis is OK, but I don't have it installed on MY node. And, yes, I did
> have a choice.
> 
> more stuff deleted.....
> 
> I'm all for freedom of speech and such, but articles like this one 
> only promote a negative attitude--they serve no constructive purpose.
> If Unix were promoted by Apollo as a second-class OS (as DEC once did
> with Ultrix), I could see cause for a fuss. However, there isn't any
> doubt that, as a company, we're proud to offer Unix, and feel that
> our OS compares well against anyone's.
>
	This article is encouraging. Maybe I did "promote a negitive
attitude" with my previous article but the motive is/was to try to
convince Apollo that there are lots of people out here who
think UNIX is a nice OS and dislike it being constantly "badmouthed"
(I get enough of that from the popular press).

	I wish Apollo every success (competition is
healthy). If enough people at Apollo feel as Tom does, there should
be no problem.

	On a different but related issue, I would like some comments
on ACL's. People at Apollo and lots of other places feel they are great.
I feel they are an unnecessary complication I can well do without.
And don't give me that stuff about "if you don't want to use them
they can be ignored". The complexity exists in the software so I pay
the price in speed, size and reliability. Now it may well be I am old
fashioned so I am asking for civilised comment on the benefits of
ACL's over the more "traditional" rwx type permissions. Who knows,
I may be convinced.

pdg