Xref: utzoo comp.edu:1920 sci.math:5432 sci.physics:5626 Path: utzoo!utgpu!attcan!uunet!lll-winken!ncis!helios.ee.lbl.gov!pasteur!agate!bionet!csd4.milw.wisc.edu!mailrus!cwjcc!gatech!udel!princeton!phoenix!dykimber From: dykimber@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Daniel Yaron Kimberg) Newsgroups: comp.edu,sci.math,sci.physics Subject: Re: Student preparedness Message-ID: <5606@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> Date: 19 Jan 89 18:48:00 GMT References: <4893@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> <6435@killer.DALLAS.TX.US> <558@mccc.UUCP> <3350@arcturus> <18958@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> <5314@pdn.UUCP> <19035@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> <5354@pdn.UUCP> <19145@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> <5392@pdn.UUCP> <19214@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> Reply-To: dykimber@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Daniel Yaron Kimberg) Followup-To: comp.edu Organization: Princeton University, NJ Lines: 19 In article <19214@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> matloff@iris.ucdavis.edu (Norm Matloff) writes: >*Who* is aware of the problem? Certainly managers in industry are painfully >aware of it, especially on the written side. University educators are >vaguely aware of it. But the *students* are not aware of it at all. They >would be shocked to know how much of ordinary work in the real world >consists of communication -- holding meetings, writing reports, >explaining things to others, dealing with users of the company's products, >etc. Be careful when you're making broad, encompassing generalizations. Maybe you just know a lot of stupid students. Maybe you've just never met any students who've held full time jobs. Maybe it's much easier to remember instances in which you noticed that a recent graduate was shocked by the amount of verbal communication in the business world. Most students I know spend their entire academic lives doing things like writing papers, reading source material, writing exams, and trying to get themselves heard in small classes. -Dan