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From: haque@umn-cs.CS.UMN.EDU (Samudra E. Haque)
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Subject: Re: USSR International Computer Club (was: Information on the ICC)
Message-ID: <10870@umn-cs.CS.UMN.EDU>
Date: 18 Jan 89 16:37:53 GMT
References: <10127@well.UUCP> <1315@orion.cf.uci.edu> <810@afit-ab.arpa>
Reply-To: haque@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu (Samudra E. Haque)
Organization: Computer Science Laboratories,University of Minnesota,Mpls.
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In article <810@afit-ab.arpa> wbralick@blackbird.afit.af.mil (William A. Bralick) writes:
>In article <1315@orion.cf.uci.edu> dlawyer@balboa.eng.uci.edu (David Lawyer) writes:
>>

>>Needless to say, the ICC should become a newsgroup on the net:
>>comp.icc.

>Needless to say it should _not_ become a newsgroup on the net.  I think
>there are transcendent issues here even if it could get voted into 
>existence, for example:

>   (1)  Who is going to pay for processing all the reports of
>   (2)  Who is going to pay for the net surveillance to ensure 
>   (3)  Will the newsgroup survive if _all_ corporations with defense


why not put it to an alt.??? newsgroup..

These news groups are only carried if the host wishes to accept them..

alt.icc, alt.soviet.prgrmrs..

Actually  come to think of it, IEEE now has comp.org.ieee, and 
do you see anybody needing to monitor that group for security concerns?

comp.org.icc ??


If the "other" side wants intelligence about project "Z", why would they
use such a low signal/noise ratio media such as USENET ? Wouldn't they rather 
prefer to just turn to say the New York Times or the Air Force Magazine.. 
may be they even have a subscription to them ? Look at how many 
articles come out every year in technical trade journals. Look at how
many magazines have library/corporate subscribers. THEN look at what the 
addresses of those 'libraries' turn out to be. Some of them most surely end
up at some suitable company/private org/embassy. 

Hell, we even get all the U.S. military rags in full blown color in Bangladesh
courtesy of the U.S. Embassy... of course the magazine is probably worthless
to them information wise, but you'd be surprised just how much detail 
you can pick up about weapons guidance/ nav systems. Given a smart programmer
you can take a picture in 2-d and after a while spit out a 3-d extrapolated
version of it. All this while you think that your product is safe and sound
locked behind steel doors. 

Didn't the U.S. screw up recently with the B-2 that they didn't want to be
seen from the side or the tail end .. so they prevented reporters from walking 
around ?

And didn't some reporter just go up in the air with a light plane over 
the plant and take photographs of said region ? I mean the invitation card
said "do not walk around the craft", but it didn't say anything about
walking OVER the craft, right ? :-)

As we say over there, caveat emptor - or u r SOL.

regards..


-- 
Samudra E. Haque
Computer Science Laboratories, Computer Science Department
University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, MN 55455.
(1)-(612)-625-0876 || haque@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu || haque@umn-cs.UUCP