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From: lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: Which digitizer should I buy?
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Date: 17 Jan 89 14:50:13 GMT
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In <5660029@hpcvca.HP.COM>, charles@hpcvca.HP.COM (Charles Brown) writes:
>> I also have a LIVE! and it is quite satisfactory for my personal use.
>> I have an Amiga 1000 with 1.5 Meg RAM (Michigan Insider) and I have had
>> 100% successful saves (so far).
>> Frances Koo     koo%loki.edsg@hac2arpa.hac.com
>
>Perhaps LIVE! was running out of memory when I was using it.

Perhaps it was.

>  If so
>	The documentation with the product is wrong.  It clearly
>	states that LIVE! runs in 512K.

Not necessarily. My Live! ran on my 512K Amiga just fine. They clearly stated a
fact. That it did not run on your Amiga is not an indication that it would run
on no other similarly equipped Amigas. If it was running out of memory, it may
have been for other reasons (other things you were running, etc.)

>  Also the product is
>	incorrectly designed.  The Amiga1000 is designed to have one
>	(1) device at most attached to the side.  LIVE! plugs in the
>	side, so it is that one device.  Insiders are not a
>	recommended configuration.  (You had to void your warrenty to
>	install your insider.)

So what? Thousands of Amigas ran Insiders, warranty considerations aside. True,
there were/are many peripherals out there in violation of the spec saying that
you are only allowed 1 PIC on the bus. Many are being used in stacks of more
than one. Many are being used with the Insider.

>  If not
>	The product did not work anyway.  This only means that the
>	bugs in the software were somewhere else.

Do you know of any software that didn't have bugs, not counting trivial
programs? The software worked. I have seen it work, and in versions right from
the earliest versions to go out to developers (remember those? You paid $1500
for a hand-made unit, and fairly buggy software that worked, mostly), to the
latest versions. There have been no versions since the first I saw that didn't
work. Please note the difference between 'buggy' and 'does not work'.

>Another possibility is that the version I got was an early production
>unit.
>  If so
>	Any company which sells a product which clearly does not work
>	is behaving unethically at best and possibly fraudulently.
>	This is independent of whether the product is version 1.0 or not.

Well, it 'clearly' did not work for you. What did you do about it, besides
bottling up anger and venting it on the net. A-Squared was extremely helpful to
me, as well as to others who asked questions or had problems.

>  If not
>	I don't know what the problem was but it didn't work.

Right. You don't know what the problem was, but don't let that stop you from
making the definitive condemnations you seem wont to make.

>I recently sold my Amiga 1000 (the 2000 is on order).  I included the
>LIVE! for free.  That's what it is worth.

Let's hope the recipient has the good sense to investigate the problem, rather
than puking all over the net. Anyone who knwingly buys an 'improperly designed'
unit, knowing full well that it _is_ in violation of the bus spec, doesn't have
much cause for complaint when there are problems.

>	Charles Brown		charles%hpcvca@hplabs.hp.com
>	Not representing my employer.

He is probably glad.

-larry


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