Xref: utzoo sci.bio:1707 sci.med:8268 Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!mmm From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) Newsgroups: sci.bio,sci.med Subject: Re: Neoteny and Human Genetic Engineering Message-ID: <13307@cup.portal.com> Date: 8 Jan 89 05:18:47 GMT References: <17917@dhw68k.cts.com> <189@microsoft.UUCP> <2923@silver.bacs.indiana.edu> Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 51 Lucius Chiaraviglio says the creation of a slave race -- hmm, need to find a new term for that; how about "animal friends" -- would be an abomination. Who is to say my abomination is less than your abomination? How is it worse to make use of a biological robot than an electromechanical robot? Don't we already have slave ... uh, animal friends in the form of dogs and cats? Is Teddy Ruxpin a mockery and an abomination? Why wouldn't a suitably engineered biological Teddy Ruxpin, a living, breathing Teddy Ruxpin be equally morally acceptable? Wouldn't it have been great to grow up with a real Winnie-the-Pooh, rather than just read about it? What's wrong with ... oh, excuse me, Chimpman would like to say something: help get me out of here Ha ha. Very funny, Chimpman. Now, get back to work. Remember to wipe those glasses again after they're dry. Both Gordon Letwin and Lucius remark on the topic of IQ tests. I would like to point out that the meaning of intelligence is highly controversial. The IQ testing movement has its roots in the eugenics movement of the early 20th century. Here are some quotes from one of the earliest promoters of IQ tests: "Every time a "B" man employs himself doing "C" work society is losing. Every time a "C" man attempts to do "B" work he fails, and again society loses. "The study of feeble-mindedness has confirmed our belief that intelligence is a matter of brain cells and neuron patterns, and still more definitely, it is a question of the development of the larger association areas of the brain, the functionality of which develops relatively late, and hence this development is particularly liable to arrest; moreover when such arrest has taken place, there is no evidence that it ever starts up again. "Much money has been wasted and is continually being wasted by would-be philanthropists who give liberally for alleviating conditions that are to them intolerable. They admit the money is being wasted. They do not understand that it is being wasted because the people who receive it, have not sufficient intelligence to appreciate it and to use it wisely. Moreover, it is a positive fact that many of these people are better contented in their present surrounding s than in any that the philanthropists can provide for them. They are like Huckleberry Finn who was most unhappy when dressed up and living in a comfortable room at Aunt Polly's and having good food and everything that Aunt Polly thought ought to make him happy. He stood it for a few days and then he ran away and went back in his hogshead with his old rags on, and getting his food wherever he could pick it up. Aunt Polly's efforts were wasted because she did not appreciate the mental level of Huckleberry Finn. [Above quotes taken from HUMAN EFFICIENCY AND LEVELS OF INTELLIGENCE by Henry Herbert Goddard (Princeton University Press, 1920).]