Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!iuvax!rutgers!psuvax1!shire!ian From: ian@shire (Ian Parberry) Newsgroups: comp.edu Subject: Re: Are Americans Intellectually Inferior? Message-ID: <4248@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu> Date: 29 Jan 89 21:42:54 GMT References: <1461@trantor.harris-atd.com> <19554@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> <00Uvr19Q3V1010d85Q6@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> <19611@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> Sender: news@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu Reply-To: ian@shire (Ian Parberry) Distribution: usa Organization: Penn State University Lines: 39 Paraphrasing my wife's Webster's (apologies: my OED is at work), intellect is defined to be the ability to reason, perceive, or understand. My experience leads me to believe that U.S. educated students are not intellectually inferior. However, they do have some educational deficiencies which are balanced by other strengths. The same can probably be said of foreign educational systems. What is "my experience"? I was educated from grades 1-5 in England (to be pedantic, the equivalent thereof; the nomenclature is different), 6-12 and B. Sc. in Australia, Ph. D. in England. I have teaching experience at the Undergraduate level in Australia and England (as a T.A.) and 5 years of teaching at the Undergraduate and Graduate level in the U.S., including the supervision of research Ph. D.'s. The undergraduates that I see appear to have been let down by their high-school education, compared to England and Australia. It doesn't seem to have done them very great harm, however. The B.S. here has great width, but is shallower. The great catching-up in depth is achieved at the M.S. and Ph.D. level with interminable coursework (these degrees require only a thesis in England and Australia). The end-products of all three advanced degrees appear to me to be equivalent in intellect and knowledge, although the latter may be distributed differently. Now, motivation is an issue which is different from intellect and knowledge. I have seen vast variation from student to student, class to class, semester to semester, year to year. I don't think I can make any generalizations there. Just when lack of motivation amongst my incoming students gets me down, I get a great class. I give you my observations, but no conclusions. The observations of one person are simply not sufficient. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Parberry "The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of an expanding bureaucracy" ian@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu ian@psuvax1.BITNET ian@psuvax1.UUCP (814) 863-3600 Dept of Comp Sci, 333 Whitmore Lab, Penn State Univ, University Park, Pa 16802