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From: childers@avsd.UUCP (Richard Childers)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: Re: network connectivity (FLAME)
Summary: flame off !!
Message-ID: <444@avsd.UUCP>
Date: 28 Jan 89 07:14:52 GMT
References: <27330@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU: <844@auvax.UUCP> <2398@eos.UUCP> <27@torsqnt.UUCP>
Reply-To: childers@avsd.UUCP (Richard Childers)
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In article <27@torsqnt.UUCP> david@torsqnt.UUCP (David Haynes) writes:

>In article <2398@eos.UUCP: eugene@eos.UUCP (Eugene Miya) writes:

>:In article <844@auvax.UUCP> kevinc@auvax.UUCP (Kevin "auric" Crocker) writes:

>:>I would love this stuff, but alas do not have ftp currently available.
>:>Why does all the neat stuff always have to be ftp'able and not other
>:>things too - maybe we should join a few more networks.

>:Good networks are an essential part of computing now ... FTP is another
>:resource.

>:You have to make some efforts to improve the quality of computing in
>:your environment.

>FLAME ON
>Well, this is all very fine and dandy, but what do you do if the good
>old US of A will not let you on the network!

Yes, well, that applied to everyone, Americans as well as Canadians. Still
does, in some respects, at least in the documents I read. They were a little
vague ...

>I find Mr. Miya arogance just a little too much to take! Really!

If you knew him, you'd know he's not very arrogant. ( I don't him, but I've
been reading his postings for a few years, now ... )

>Unless we all have the lastest and greatest, we are children to
>be patronized by the GODS of high tech. REALLY!

I don't think he ever said that. All he said was it was a great resource.
It is. I'm not working at an Internet site, either, but I'm working at it.
If you want the official materials, I'll be glad to mail them to you, or
you can mail to SRI-NIC yourself, I'll dig out the address. I think I read
it in a 4.3 BSD/Mt Xinu manual, but it was a 4.3 document associated with
networking, probably the 'named' documents.

>The assumptions you make affect it also. Please try to look beyond your
>navel into the real world.

I have often found that I demand of others what I myself lack. Could this
be a case in hand of such behavior ? ( I hear it's quite common ... :-)

I must admit, it is rather frustrating getting information about the way
to connect to the ARPAnet out of people. The details are hidden in manuals,
nobody wants to mention a thing, 'if you're not a TCP/IP programmer you're
not worth talking to' kind of attitude. The value of figuring it out is all
well and good, and I appreciate an element of evolution in all this, but
it's been made unnecessarily mysterious exactly HOW one gains access to this
much-vaunted 'anonymous ftp' connection ...

>:--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@aurora.arc.nasa.gov

>-david-

-- richard


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