Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!lll-winken!ames!ncar!mailrus!caen.engin.umich.edu!sol.engin.umich.edu!billkatt From: billkatt@sol.engin.umich.edu (Steve Bollinger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac Subject: Re: Apple HD80SC... Quantum ??? Message-ID: <40f20383.a590@mag.engin.umich.edu> Date: 18 Jan 89 22:26:00 GMT References: <19105@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> <8400055@m.cs.uiuc.edu> <40f1d90b.10342@fir.engin.umich.edu> Sender: netnews@caen.engin.umich.edu Reply-To: billkatt@caen.engin.umich.edu (Steve Bollinger) Organization: Computer Aided Engineering Network (CAEN), University of Michigan Lines: 30 Sender: Followup-To: In article <40f1d90b.10342@fir.engin.umich.edu> swerling@caen.engin.umich.edu (Ace Swerling) writes: >standard SCSI is that Apple uses a 25 pin port while the standard >calls for a 50 pin port. Apple claims not to need the extra 25 >pins, so they're not going to use them. Recently, a bunch of >computer manufacturers got together to discuss the standard. >Apple, surprisingly, was not one of the first organizations to >attend. They got their act together later though and seem to be >working towards more standardization. Maybe we'll see more >standards coming out of Apple... Nahh. ;-) In standard SCSI half the wires are tied to ground. Apple just removed these wires and substitutes one ground wire. Apple saved a lot of space that way. They are used to help supress interference. However, most of us don't use anywhere near the maximum length of SCSI which is well over 100 feet (1000 ft?). The signals are carried through the cables, they just merge to one ground at the connector. The Laserwriter IINTX uses a "standard connector", as well as all Apple hard drives. I use standard connector in quotes because it is no more standard than the 25 pin DB. Look at the back of a Sun some time, their connector is no more standard than the DB-25. +----------------------+----------------------------------------------------+ | Steve Bollinger | Internet: billkatt@caen.engin.umich.edu | | 4297 Sulgrave Dr. +------+---------------------------------------------+ | Swartz Creek, Mi. 48473 | "My employer doesn't take my opinion any | +-----------------------------+ more seriously than you do." | | "You remember the IIe, it +---------------------------------------------+ | was the machine Apple made before they decided people didn't need | | machines with big screens, color, or slots." | | - Harry Anderson (from NBC's Night Court) | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+