Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!lll-winken!ncis.llnl.gov!helios.ee.lbl.gov!pasteur!agate!web-4d.berkeley.edu!c60c-4bj From: c60c-4bj@web-4d.berkeley.edu (Rob Pfile) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac Subject: Re: Apple HD80SC... Quantum ??? Summary: what i found out... Keywords: _surplus_ Message-ID: <19584@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> Date: 27 Jan 89 19:13:30 GMT References: <19105@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> <8400055@m.cs.uiuc.edu> <40f1d90b.10342@fir.engin.umich.edu> Sender: usenet@agate.BERKELEY.EDU Followup-To: comp.sys.mac Distribution: na Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 59 A few weeks ago, I posted an article in reference to the Quantum Q280 drive, and if in fact it is the same drive that is shipped with 80MB Mac II's and IIx's. Most people replied that this was in fact the same disk, but one person informed me that the drive that comes in the Mac II is the Q80S or the Pro80S (same drive, I think). Yet another person has told me that the Q80S on board the Mac II has a custom apple ROM, and when he called Quantum, they would not supply the part. (of course, how could it ever be so easy ???) I believe this different ROM caused HD Setup to ignore the disk, refusing to format it. So the question remains: I buy random SCSI drive X. It is not formattable with HD setup. Do programs like LaCie's SilverLining have drivers for all of these drives? On a side note, I know that ST277N's are formattable with the shareware SF&I program... Another person was using SilverLining to run 8 of these Q280 drives as 2 320MB volumes!! Wow! I assume this means that SilverLining can format and install drivers for at least the Q80S or the Q280 drive. so much for the techincal stuff. The price from Computer Surplus Store was $495.00. This compares with $799 from Hard Disks International for a Q80S. The Q80S is supposed to have a higher MTBF and is slightly faster (caching?). The catch is that CSS sells, as one might expect from the name, _surplus_ parts. I was mislead by other hard drive listings that were listed as "refurb" and assumed since the Q280 did not say this, that it was new. I suppose, then, that these disks are used. I called, and CSS disavows any knowledge of the drive's history. Who knows if it was owned by a little old lady, or run by some company who beat the daylights out of it? Their policy is that you have a 30-day warranty, and you may return it for store credit if you are not satisfied. If you want your money back, you are subject to a 10% "reshelving fee" (come on!...) That's about it. I have no connection with HDI or CSS. Simply reporting the facts... In summary, these disks are used. I guess you might have to take your chances if you want to save the bucks. Does anyone know of a sure-fire way to format and install a driver for any random drive? Is there one cure-all application? Thanks. Thanks to all of you who replied thru mail and over the net. The help is greatly appreciated. Rob Pfile c60c-4bj@web.berkeley.edu ...!ucbvax!web!c60c-4bj This account will die on 3 February. I should be back shortly with a class account and a named account. Thanks.