Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!lll-winken!lll-lcc!ames!mailrus!uflorida!haven!umd5!feldman From: feldman@umd5.umd.edu (Mark Feldman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next Subject: NeXT concerns Message-ID: <4474@umd5.umd.edu> Date: 26 Jan 89 16:16:26 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 85 We have some NeXTs on campus -- we are looking at a few in-house, and the rest are being purhased for campus faculty. We have found that there are problems with integrating NeXTs intro our envrionment and I would like to hear from people at other universities how NeXTs are currently being distributed, what your plans are for the future, and if you've run into the same problems that we have. The NeXT is NeAT, no question about it. I believe that the technical term is ``slick''. It combines software and hardware into a single, bundled package that is not available elsewhere. I'd like to have one on my desk, but for the rest of campus... (I have sent the follwing comments to NeXT, but I think that putting them on the floor for discussion will help both us, the users, and NeXT) The NeXT is a very nice development platform, but there's a chicken-and-egg problem. We can't advise faculty to write applications on the NeXT until there are NeXTs for student use. Untill/unless NeXT meets some of the following concerns, there won't be NeXTs for student access. The university computing model requires that users be able to access and share data easily throughout the campus. When someone is forced to remove their data (optical drive) when they leave a NeXT, they are being forced to isolate their data. An optical floppy at home, left in a backpack or car, or anywhere that there isn't a NeXT is useless. Because the user's files are not being kept on a central server, as is done when people use our VAXstations, there is no way for someone to dial in and access their files. We can back up servers, but in the NeXT model the user is responsible for the integrity of their data. An optical drive-only NeXT isn't desirable in public workstation rooms -- those rooms where students can access workstations. The best workstation for public rooms is a workstation that boots off the network and uses file servers, perhaps keeping its swap space on a local hard disk. Come to think of it, an optical drive-only machine isn't very useful anywhere. In most faculty/research environments, you want speed (hard disk) and a machine that is stable, not schizophrenic -- we don't need one that changes it's personality everytime optical disks are swapped. A NeXT makes a poor file/mail/compute server because it cannot be used without a MegaPixel Display and it won't power up after a power loss. Our workstations almost never get turned off (they don't do much when they're off), so why must we pay extra for a keyboard power button (a simple on/off switch on the cube must be cheaper) that doesn't do what we need? Methinks there was too much ``personal computer'' thinking in the design. The need to share data also requires that the NeXT applications and data be accessable from non-NeXT workstations. It should be emphasized to software developers that data written by NeXT applications should be Unix-style -- readable ASCII files that can be managed with other Unix utilities. Obviously, there will be a loss in functionality (there goes that nice interface), but it is very important that people be able to get to their data. Source is another important topic with universities, which it seems NeXT is still side stepping. We don't want the source to IB or any of the NeXT ``jewels''. We need OS source to insure that we can integrate the NeXT into our environment and provide quick-fixes to bugs for which NeXT has yet to release fixes. We have source licenses from many vendors, and they do not appear to be concerned. We don't expect to get source for free -- if we go with NeXT, we will be willing to purchase a source license. Steve Jobs said that our having source would make it more difficult for NeXT to provide support. Well, if NeXT doesn't provide source, there's a good chance that support won't be a problem, as we won't be purchasing NeXTs. I don't think that NeXT spent enough time looking at how higher education uses workstations to facilitate information access and exchange. If NeXT wait too long before acting, the current NeXT machine will be outclassed. As it stands now, universities can purchase workstations with comparable CPU power, albeit without IB, DPS, and the other bundled software. These other workstations can be used as file servers and can be purchased diskless. Another member of the Computer Science Center staff (Brenda Guarnieri -- Hi, Brenda!) remarked that if NeXT doesn't meet our expectations, NeXT may become the ``Delorean'' of the computer field. I hope not. Mark Feldman