Xref: utzoo news.admin:4539 news.sysadmin:2078 news.config:1094 Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!lll-winken!lll-lcc!pyramid!i2ack!venta From: venta@i2ack.UUCP (Paolo Ventafridda) Newsgroups: news.admin,news.sysadmin,news.config Subject: Re: French and UK sites wanted for EUcon. Message-ID: <118@i2ack.UUCP> Date: 24 Jan 89 09:59:29 GMT References: <96@i2ack.UUCP> <303@dcs.UUCP> <55538@pyramid.pyramid.com> <2162@van-bc.UUCP> Organization: Sublink Headquarters, Milano, Italy Lines: 78 In article <2162@van-bc.UUCP>, sl@van-bc.UUCP (pri=-10 Stuart Lynne) writes: > In article <459@eda.com> jim@eda.com (Jim Budler) writes: > > I would suggest that RIDICULOUS is a far better choice. I would call it TRAGICAL.. > > BTW my reading of the previous articles on this situation was a little > different. I believe that the newer of the two nets was happy to forward > mail to it's internal sites that originated from the other (after it got > sent to US and back) but the original network refused to forward mail to > it's internal sites that originated from the newer network. Correct. I will also make an example of what's currently going on now. There's an EUnet node here (an i2unix one) which will be posting it's mail for USA and receive News from us. Anyone which can reach us, can go through our links (at least on SUBLINK). > > Seems as though the original network has higher internal costs and wants > everyone to play with their ball and bat to help them recoup their costs. For sure EUnet has high costs. I asked about them , but i got no answer. Probably the News traffic takes most of it. Personally, i don't agree with receiving news groups such as soc. and rec. and anything which is not related to The Art Of Computing Or Backboning (comp. news.). Better, i'd like to receive them, sure, but since they cost too much money, let's forget them. The main problem is that - from my point of view - EUnet spends too much. Costs are shared, but who can afford them? Few people. So there are 2 main categories of hosts on EUnet: rich sites (some of these very generous, which would support us for free, i.e. PAYING for OUR connections - but EUnet complains.) and normal sites, some of which are given the B.F.B.P.A. ( Best Friend of the Backbone's Postmaster Award ) and pay nothing for EUnet, since their backbone simply charge the others.. > > I would think that if the newer net is indeed less expensive then the > situation will indeed sort itself out. Over time newer sites will connect to > the less expensive of the two nets and some sites will switch or connect to > both. NO. EUnet is a strong network; it works fine, except for costs. We cannot offer the same services, not now and not in the future. My personal wish is that someday EUcon will grow up, and allow sites which cannot afford EUnet to exchange mail all the same. There is a BIG difference among - say - i2ack and i2unix (no relationship among "i2": they claimed it was copyrighted but it was not, so i didn't change the name, what the hell): i2unix offers a fast and reliable mail service. It polls mcvax once every 30-60 minutes. I poll pyramid 3 times a day. I don't care about receiving a letter one day later, and SUBLINK does not offer such efficiency. We point to the cheapest way of networking, within a decent result. This policy is just fine for some people, while for others it's not. This reminds me a conversation i had with a local EUnet postmaster (a woman) who ended up saying: " You said we can have a link, but how often do you poll USA ?" " ..well..3 times a day, it depends.." "Ah-ah! You see: i2unix polls mcvax once every hour!" " I know. But how often do YOU poll i2unix [ at 2400 baud via phone call ]?" "Once a night! It costs money! " Here, we have a good example of a problem of costs: this silly postmaster could have accepted my offer (no money..good offer i think!) but went for i2unix cause they have a better service. COURSE THEY HAVE! You pay 4 that! So this node does not receive News. They cost too much. Stupid woman.. She was talking about a next domain for Italy ( .ita ), and did not realized that italy is out of the network right now. Did you ever see a message here coming from an italian site (not i2unix)? Its impossible. The only one i saw was on eunet.test (i read that in germany) some time ago. Very few nodes receive News in Italy; the total amount of nodes is 44 , many of which are FAKE nodes (DEAD hosts, or such..). However i2unix did not think about taking only a few newsgroups, and leave the others for better times. They got them all. -- Paolo Ventafridda Via Ottoboni 6,20148 Milano - Italy Tel.+392-4032432 EUnet:blue@altger EUcon:venta@i2ack BANG:{pyramid,altger,tmpmbx}!i2ack!venta # This signature on i2unix costs 70 Lire (240 bytes); a phone call costs 80 L.#