Xref: utzoo news.sysadmin:2116 news.admin:4601 Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!nrl-cmf!ukma!gatech!rutgers!apple!voder!pyramid!deejay!i2ack!venta From: venta@i2ack.UUCP (Paolo Ventafridda) Newsgroups: news.sysadmin,news.admin Subject: Re: i2ack request for news/email supply connection Message-ID: <124@i2ack.UUCP> Date: 29 Jan 89 20:42:58 GMT References: <1219@altger.UUCP> <361@skep2.ATT.COM> <1236@altger.UUCP> <967@acer.stl.stc.co.uk> Organization: Sublink Headquarters, Milano, Italy Lines: 90 In article <967@acer.stl.stc.co.uk>, dww@stl.stc.co.uk (David Wright) writes: > In article <1989Jan23.183420.7803@utzoo.uucp> henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) writes: > > I think the i2ack problem is > that the Italian gateway i2unix that he would have used if he were not > 'independant' wanted to make very high charges (maybe they don't have > many users, so their costs per user are very high? So they don't have > many users...? I don't know why really, this is just a guess). They don't have users nor sites. Have a look at the map and try calling the #E people, like i did. Actually, the .it domain is a dozen of systems. Many of them, cannot call X.25 (if they call through X.28, i2unix's pad won't work - its buggy); so they call through phone line. I2unix has 2 phone port, one of which is a 2400 baud line. A friend of us - EUnet registered on i2unix - told us he simply cant poll i2unix because line is always busy! Anyway, a long distance call to i2unix is just the same as calling abroad. In November i2unix proposed to the i2net community to buy Trailbalzer modems. Since not everybody agreed (they *cost money), still they go at 2400. > > I understand that there are THREE sites in Italy which want to be considered > the Italian Gateway, and that all three claim the right to the .it domain. really, who's the third? don't tell me its the OLD italian backbone (delphi)! I am curious on this, and anyway, the problem of .it domain is a real one. Let's try thinking in these terms: if we (sublink) want to be registered on Usenet as legitimate italian network, what domain should we apply for? > I can believe that - it's typical Italy! Italy is a lovely place, good food, > nice people, but it's also DIFFERENT in ways that can really confuse the rest > of us! (thanks for food etc.) - but we are not confusing anyone: until now, i didn't send any map to rutgers, and i won't until we'll be ready to. We are all discussing in news.sysadmin, and i believe this is the best place to get opinions, suggestions etc. BEFORE doing anything. > (Actually it never was in Italy - they have dozens of 'phone companies there, > though most are very small and local). Uhm. The Only Phone Company here is SIP (aaargh). No Other Phone Companies. > So can you use a Trailblazer in Europe? Depends on which country you are > in. I think they are legal here now (UK), they aren't in Germany, and I > doubt anyone cares in Italy. Well, in a big city like Rome usually you wait for 1 year to get your own phone (at home). SIP is working quite hard right now, i understand they are trying their best, but i think for too much time they sat looking around and talking of the future.. > In most of Europe, we haven't even noticed the existance of > Eucon. As far as I know it is an Italian problem, though because traffic > to America etc. goes via other European backbone sites, they are involved too. Eucon is a recent thing. But if you talk about Italy, use < Sublink >. > I do think it's sad if a (very small) group of European > sites do this, though, as it causes confusion all round. It would be better > if they would make their own links into the Eunet too, and pay their share - > I'm sure they could find a more reasonable feed if they tried, even if > perhaps not in Italy. HEY I TRIED THAT. I CALLED UNIDO ASKING FOR AN ACCESS. AND MCVAX SAID THAT UNTIL I2UNIX SAYS "OK" WE ARE LOCKED TO THE ITALIAN BACKBONE. > our Italian friend uses an account (blue) at altger (a German site on the > EUnet), so presumably he cannot find an Italian public access site. SUBLINK offers public access sites for free. No other public accesses are available in italy. And i tell you, there's a *lot of people which really enjoyed getting a Usenet address. > Perhaps what he should really do is set one up, and get enough users > to spread those high connection charges, rather than try and start a > new net, bringing confusion to both Europe and America. NO. Until we'll get a subscription to i2unix WITHOUT paying those RIDICOLOUS yearly 6000+$ we won't EVER register EUnet. Do you realize that - aside the subscription - one has to pay for: 1) it's own transmission costs. And calling i2unix is a LONG distance call. And at 2400 like that, getting news costs too much. 2) it's mail trafic (0.25$ for 1024 bytes). This kind of costs is fine for big companies or for winners B.F.B.P.A. As i2unix declared: " We are not interested in supporting small sites ". That's it. SUBLINK is made of small sites, and as soon as we reach the needed number, we'll start asking for our own domain, you bet it. -- Paolo Ventafridda Via Ottoboni 6,20148 Milano - Italy Tel.+392-4032432 EUnet:blue@altger EUcon:venta@i2ack BANG:{pyramid,altger,tmpmbx}!i2ack!venta SUBLINK Maps & Network management , Italy \/ "Please don't shoot the Operator"