Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!lll-winken!ncis.llnl.gov!helios.ee.lbl.gov!pasteur!ucbvax!decwrl!labrea!rutgers!att!cbnews!henry@zoo.toronto.edu From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: Quantity versus Quality Message-ID: <3300@cbnews.ATT.COM> Date: 20 Jan 89 05:13:11 GMT Sender: military@cbnews.ATT.COM Lines: 31 Approved: military@att.att.com >Tanks are far from obsolete. Until something else comes along >with their combination of firepower, mobility, and staying power, >they will continue to have a vital mission. Firepower, okay. Mobility, okay. Staying power, approaching zero as infantry anti-tank weapons get better. Tanks were cost-effective when the weapons capable of disabling them were artillery and other tanks, i.e. things that the average infantry squad didn't carry. The mission remains important, but tanks are increasingly incapable of doing it at acceptable cost. Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu [moderator's reply: When I referred to staying power, I imply a bit more than survivability, though that is certainly a major part of it. I also include things like loiter time; aircraft pack lots of firepower, but have short loiter times on the battlefield. If you duck long enough, the planes go away; tanks don't. Further, tanks offer improved survivability versus more generic weapons; HE artillery, rifle fire, chemical rounds, even nuclear/biological attacks, relative to infantry. Finally, improvements such as Chobham armor and reactive armor have put a big unknown in the tank/antitank equation. Both systems improve survivability against HEAT munitions, although the exact improvement has not been publicized; certainly, the Pentagon claims that the Soviet reactive armor jeopardizes the effectiveness of our TOW and Dragon, while LAW is already a joke against modern MBT's. Methinks it very premature to write off tanks just yet... - Bill ]