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From: yap@hammer.me.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: tor.general
Subject: Re: TTC suicides (tangent to tangent to: presumption of innocence)
Keywords: Presumption of Innocence & "Criminals"
Message-ID: <373.1989Jan24.13:01:24@hammer.me.toronto.edu>
Date: 24 Jan 89 18:01:23 GMT
References: <8901240935.AA01848@bloor.csri.toronto.edu>
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In article <8901240935.AA01848@bloor.csri.toronto.edu> tjhorton@csri.toronto.edu (Tim Horton) writes:
>Considering that a subway suicide in Toronto can hold up many thousands of
>people for well over an hour (presumably some fraction of them "critically"
>delayed -- not just out to go window-shopping), the costs may easily involve
>several man-years on the part of unwilling participants.  Should not such
>unsociable behavior be discouraged in whatever way possible?  There are other
>more reliable ways to end it all, are there not?
>
>(You can jump from a bridge, or borrow a gun, or inject nasty stuff, or take
>up smoking...  or pehaps simultaneously take up cocaine and riding racehorses
>and LSD at rock concerts and driving stolen cars very dangerously [sick, Tim])
>
You don't understand.  These people have such severe problems, they feel their
only recourse is to "end it all".  I imagine them, not as chronically ill
cancer patients, who can no longer stand the pain, but as desperate, bitter
people.  Who, if they're going to commit suicide, are going to do so with a
bang, "I'm going to kill myself, and I want the whole fucking world to know".
Their final (and likely only) moment of "glory".