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From: wunder@HP-SDE.SDE.HP.COM (Walter Underwood)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: Re: IP Encapsulation on HP 3000/9000 computers
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Date: 6 Feb 89 19:39:43 GMT
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OK, here is the real story.  I work for HP, and this information is
from recent printed information announcing new products.

Up to now, the HP3000 has only used 802.3 encapsulation with the old
IP-over-802.3 standard.  This was done in the naive expectation that
an official standard was the right way to go.

Anyway, with the V-Delta-5 release of MPE for the "classic" HP3000,
Ethernet and ARP are supported.  It has TCP/IP of course, and there
are two sets of services available: the NS services, which are HP
proprietary and tweaked for the 3000 (sort of like STRU VMS, but not
based on FTP), avalable from HP; and regular ARPA services (Telnet,
FTP, and SMTP), available from The Wollongong Group.  The HP3000 can
also talk IP over X.25 links, but I'm not sure of the exact
encapsulation for that.  The HP3000 does not have UDP.

The Precsion Architecture HP3000 (OS is MPE/XL, machines are
HP3000/935, HP3000/950, etc.) has TCP/IP and the NS services, but does
not have ARPA services or Ethernet/ARP.  Ethernet/ARP is promised,
though I don't know which release, and I don't know whether we have
promised ARPA services.

The HP9000 (Unix) systems, both Motorola and Precision Architecture
(aka "Spectrum") have ARPA, Berkeley, and NS services; TCP/IP;
Ethernet and 802.3 (old); IP-over-X.25 (DDN, I think, s800 only?); and
soon, Jacobson/Karels TCP, BIND (supported), and probably other stuff.

The HP1000 has TCP/IP, NS services, and 802.3 (old).

We resell FTP Software, Inc.'s PC/FTP for the HP Vectra PC's as PC/ARPA.

I don't know whether 802.3/SNAP is planned for any of our systems.

Clear?

Walter Underwood
HP Software Engineering Systems

PS:  I think that the Wollongong product for the HP3000 is called
WIN/H3000 (is that right, Dave?).  Also, the HP3000 *always* talks
half-duplex to its terminals, so client Telnet can be aggravating if
you are talking to a full-duplex application.