Xref: utzoo sci.research:643 talk.politics.misc:21640 sci.bio:1825 Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!csd4.milw.wisc.edu!nic.MR.NET!shamash!tank!ogil From: ogil@tank.uchicago.edu (Brian W. Ogilvie) Newsgroups: sci.research,talk.politics.misc,sci.bio Subject: Re: animal research Message-ID: <1746@tank.uchicago.edu> Date: 7 Feb 89 23:01:31 GMT References: <5963@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> <674@intvax.UUCP> Reply-To: ogil@tank.uchicago.edu (Brian W. Ogilvie) Organization: History of Science, University of Chicago Lines: 52 In article <674@intvax.UUCP> morimoto@intvax.UUCP (Alan Morimoto) writes: > >So, if there were a major disaster that restricted medical professionals to >treating those who were injured, i.e. a war, then we would have a lot of >dying people out there, dying from cronic illnesses. My point is that maybe >we need to look at what long term effects we are creating by breeding >diseases into our future generations. I can imagine that countries that are >not as medically advanced inherit a stronger gene pool of people simply >because the weak will perish. Will the future of the world be inherited by >us, the medically pampered, or the third world? > >Alan Whoa! Wait a minute. Most of the diseases which are being controlled through the use of antibiotics, reconstructive surgery, etc. are not genetic diseases. Influenza, polio, and the like are caused by viruses and bacteria, and as such there is no way that our medical technology is causing these diseases to be "bred into future generations." We _may_ be slowing down the evolution of genetic compensations for these diseases, but as an examination of sickle-cell anemia or any other genetic antimalarial shows, the cure is often nearly as bad (though the logic of selection prevents it from being worse) than the disease. A far worse result of the _indiscriminate_ use of antibiotics is the development of resistant strains of bacteria, which can pass on this resistance to other strains during conjugation. This has nothing to do with the gene pool. Of course, a number of genetic diseases have been identified, and many are treatable. For example, phenylketonuria, which is caused by an inability to digest the amino acid phenylalanine and which results in brain damage, may be identified and prevented by a special diet. If phenylketonurics reproduced at the same rate as the rest of the population, the gene would remain fixed at the same frequency in the population. However, phenylketonurics are aware of their genetic deficiency (otherwise they would have suffered severe brain damage during youth), and they can choose not to have children. As long as they have fewer children than non-phenylketonuric families, the frequency of the phenylketonuria gene will decrease. The fear that we are becoming "genetically inferior" to "third world" populations is not really justified. Perhaps, after a few centuries of advanced medicine the frequency of recessive lethals will be higher in our gene pool, but then our population size is much larger (because of transportation, etc.). The major problem, antibiotic-resistant microorganisms, will affect everyone equally. Furthermore, it seems likely that in any situation where we lose our biomedical technology, more of us will be dying from starvation or exposure than from any nasty recessives in the gene pool. -- Brian W. Ogilvie / ogil@tank.uchicago.edu "Cartesianism is the most popular 'popular science' ever invented." --Noel Swerdlow