Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!ncar!noao!amethyst!spock!chris From: chris@spock (Chris Ott) Newsgroups: sci.space Subject: Space Resources Message-ID: <900@amethyst.ma.arizona.edu> Date: 9 Feb 89 08:41:52 GMT Sender: rbc@amethyst.ma.arizona.edu Reply-To: guest@spock.ame.arizona.edu (Paul Hughes) Organization: Computer-Aided Engr. Lab (CAEL), University of Arizona, Tucson Lines: 70 Sorry if this is a re-post, but the article didn't go through the first time. Boy! Are you tired of hearing the same old arguments going around about the same old topic, using the same old metaphors? I believe we need to speed things up a bit, don't you. PREPARE YOURSELF! The following ideas may be hazardous to your DOGMA! I make no excuse for my utopianism and my optimism. We are running out of time, so somebody has to do it! And I'm getting tired od people arguing abd worrying about the future instead of creating it. Anyway. HERE WE GO! Limits? I see no present evidence of limits? A limit can only be proved completly and beyond a shawdow of a doubt, after it has been tested an infinite amount of time, under an infinite number of conditions, forever. Re: Space - Everything should be happening in space. Everything that can be done on Earth can be done in space much more efficiently and cheaply. All modes of gravity can be simulated in space. All temperatures; all manufacturing. In the book "Interstellar Migration and the Human Experience", David Criswell, Ph.D, demonstrates that there are enough resources in the asteroid belt to construct an extremely massive infra-structure consisting of 40 trillion people with 40,000 trillion tons of supporting structure, occupying aporx. 1 billion cubic km - which is 1 millionth of the space available in the L4 and L5 regions alone! All of these people could be in contact via laser communication with 0.2 seconds in one L-volume and aprox 1 second to the other L-volume and Earth. Since space is frictionless, transportation between any two points in this matrix would be almost nothing. This would end phase 1 of Solar system development according to Criswell. He goes on to talk about phases 2 and 3 which would hinge upon the theoretical technology (perhaps extremely high energy lasers) to dismantle the outer planets, and then mine the sun. He has shown that it would be theoretically possible to convert the sun into a white dwarf, which would extend the lifetime of SOL 1,115 times. He calls this process, "Stellar Lifting". Using stellar lifting as a away of collecting the higher elements, Criswell shows that a civilization consiting of 10(16) - 10(21) power humans on a surface area equivalent to 1 billion earths would be possible. This civilization, due to Sol's extended lifetime, would have a potential lifespan of at least 10 trillion years. All of this is possible within the solar system. What limits? When I log on again, I will talk about nanotechnology, zero-point energy, immortality, intelligence increase using neural, genetic and nanotech engineering, info-space, hypermedia and human evolution evolving towards self-replicating systems. BYE! BYE! for now. Paul Hughes | Internet: guest@spock.ame.arizona.edu 1386 N. Country Club Rd. | UUCP: {allegra,cmcl2,hao!noao}!arizona! Tucson, AZ 85716 | amethyst!spock!guest "Anything is possible through imagination and Will."