Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!csd4.milw.wisc.edu!uxc!uxc.cso.uiuc.edu!m.cs.uiuc.edu!p.cs.uiuc.edu!gillies From: gillies@p.cs.uiuc.edu Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: In defense of the VAX Message-ID: <76700073@p.cs.uiuc.edu> Date: 22 Feb 89 08:01:00 GMT References: <11037@tekecs.TEK.COM> Lines: 29 Nf-ID: #R:tekecs.TEK.COM:11037:p.cs.uiuc.edu:76700073:000:1193 Nf-From: p.cs.uiuc.edu!gillies Feb 22 02:01:00 1989 Re: Was the VAX designed to be as bad as possible???? 1. I seem to remember from my OS class that the vax virtual memory system was quite an innovation. I don't know about VM in today's machines -- do they do it any *BETTER*? 2. The VAX taught us to build RISC's. It was very successful at that. 3. The VAX taught us to hate heavyweight procedure calls. 4. The VAX taught 32000 designers how to architect their machine. 5. The VAX was made to sell in 1978. Ok, Flame ON! Have you GOT ANY FRIGGING IDEA HOW EXPENSIVE MEMORY WAS IN 1978???? PEOPLE NEEDED TO USE IT IN 1978, OK??? CAN YOU PARSE THAT???? Flame off. Other companies in 1978 (Xerox), full of smart people, were architecting machines under the same assumptions as the VAX, and came up with worse/more restricted results (DLions). 5. The VAX was AMAZING when it came out. It created the "supermini" class of machine, as the first such computer from a major manufacturer (sorry, Gould / Perkin-Elmer). How quickly we forget all this... Don Gillies, Dept. of Computer Science, University of Illinois 1304 W. Springfield, Urbana, Ill 61801 ARPA: gillies@cs.uiuc.edu UUCP: {uunet,harvard}!uiucdcs!gillies