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From: raveling@vaxb.isi.edu (Paul Raveling)
Newsgroups: comp.os.misc
Subject: Re: Religious OS arguments
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Date: 23 Feb 89 04:51:06 GMT
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In article <2685@eos.UUCP> eugene@eos.UUCP (Eugene Miya) writes:
>A Modest Proposal
>
>	[Lots about porting OS's such as OS/360/MVT and VMS to
>	 other machines... I wasn't going to comment until the
>	 day's work took the turn noted in item 3 below.] 
>
>We Unics should encourage these other OSes to prove their manhood
>and port their OSes and get them out of our hair.  Just think
>you too can relive the 60s.

	You mean by using UNIX?   (sorry, I couldn't resist)


	We're looking for application portability, right?

	1.  We didn't have to even recompile or change [ugh] JCL
	    to move from one machine running OS/360 to another.
	    In case the '91 was down, we just ran the same batch
	    of jobs on a model 75 -- or even a mod 40.

	    [However, I'll second the motion that OS/360 should RIP
	    ... or even IEHRIP0666I;  Brownie points to whoever can
	    name the atrocity Release 13 committed if you forgot the
	    SPACE parameter on a DD statement for a scratch data set]
	
	2.  It's been some years since I used VMS, but I can believe
	    the same is substantially true across the VAX line,
	    anywhere from Microvax through 8800.
	
	3.  Here's what prompted me to not keep quiet -- a small
	    portion of a log file from today's "adventures" in
	    portable software on UNIX:

widgets

    Dclock              Make failed; Xlib symbols unresolved despite -lX
    Mailwatch           Make failed; Xlib symbols unresolved despite -lX
    MenuBox             Made            Needed to hack includes for test
    Xhp                 Make failed; syntax errors in header files
    Xsw                 Make failed; missing include file
    cpicker             Make failed; compilation errors in Bargraph.c
    tblwidget           Make failed; syntax errors in Tbl.c
    widgeteditor
        extensions      Made
        qp              Make failed; incompatible cmd line syntax for ld [cc] 
        wedit           Make failed; incompatible cmd line syntax for ld [cc]
    Widgetwrap          Make failed; depends on header file installation
    xpalette            Make failed; undefined externals when linking

	Not to mention that it was necessary to hack Makefiles for
	most of these to get even that far.


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Paul Raveling
Raveling@isi.edu