Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!rutgers!mcnc!ecsvax!logicon.arpa From: lance@logicon.arpa (Lance Browne) Newsgroups: comp.society.women Subject: Re: Women on the net Message-ID: <6560@ecsvax.UUCP> Date: 23 Feb 89 00:02:28 GMT Sender: skyler@ecsvax.UUCP Organization: Logicon, Inc., San Diego, CA Lines: 43 Approved: skyler@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Moderator -- Trish Roberts) Comments-to: comp-women-request@cs.purdue.edu Submissions-to: comp-women@cs.purdue.edu I have to disagree with the Time article reasoning as to why women don't go into computer science. I didn't read the original Time article, but it seems agreed among the group that the reasoning presented, was that women don't hack as much, ie, women have other social activities as they grow up instead of playing with the computer. First off, does this theory even make sense. The personal computer didn't even come into existence until the mid-seventies. With the initial prices making it prohibitive for most *children* to play with. If the children of that time could afford the computer or get to use one somehow, how old would the oldest of this group of hackers be? Somewhere less than thirty, for the oldest group. The BULK of the hackers would be younger than that, barely entering the job market. Then why is the field dominated by males? If it is, some much more down-to-earth practical reasons follow: One reason is that this new field is not as free from old social dogma as originally thought. After all, who are the managers within this field? They didn't originate with the field - most came from engineering or math backgrounds. How do people get a job in the computing industry, IF they have not had a computing job yet? All computing job descriptions I've seen require a degree. To get a computer science degree requires a lot of courses from engineering or math, a perceived male-ruled area. The engineering department of my college was very male-oriented. A case in point, one instructor gave a women a B, who had a higher score than a man, who got an A. He didn't believe that women should be taking his course. Generally, society views Computing as a field that requires engineering and math skills, which it does to get a computer science degree. --- Lance ---> +--------------+------------------------------------------------------------- | \/ \/ | Internet: lance@logicon.arpa | /\ /\ | UUCP: {nosc,ucsd}!logicon.arpa!lance | \ / | | \/ | Selling skin, selling god, | /\ | the numbers look the same on the credit card. | / \ | - Queensryche +--------------+-------------------------------------------------------------