Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!watmath!watdragon!dvadura
From: dvadura@watdragon.waterloo.edu (Dennis Vadura)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: I hate to be a pain, but I need help with DM
Message-ID: <11588@watdragon.waterloo.edu>
Date: 16 Feb 89 05:36:00 GMT
Reply-To: dvadura@watdragon.waterloo.edu (Dennis Vadura)
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Waterloo
Lines: 46

System:  DN 3500
OS:	 SR 10.1

Ok, we have a whole bunch of machines on the internet around here.
I want to create a bunch of DM windows, and rlogin into the various machines.
(similar to what I do when I'm on a box with a whole bunch of X-windows)

I can do this trivially, but...

The only way I seem able to really do it well is using vt100, and then rlogin
(or vt100 rlogin host... etc), however, whenever I then perform an rlogin
from there to some other machine my whole window locks up.  I can reproduce
this every single time (nuking it seems to be the only fix).  I can also 
freeze the window by typing at it the vt100 initialization/resize sequence
from the local termcap database, this is guaranteed to freeze all input into
the window, hence I figure it's the vt100 emulator that is going for a dive.

What I would really like though is to not use vt100 at all, and to just use
the DM window with an rlogin.  This also works fine as long as I
pretend to be a dumb terminal.  Alas this is no good for things like vi, rn,
and the list goes on.

Anyway, after staring into the 3 feet of documentation we have on Apollos here
I see no mention of a termcap like capabilities description for DM windows.

Does such a beast exist, if so does anyone have one.  Better yet is there
a character sequence that a program can blast into a DM window that does
cursor positioning and the like, if so where in the documentation is a
description of the capabilities.

Am I doomed to using vt100 for ever?  Actually I can probably wait for X, but
it just seems silly for there to be no way to do what I want, but I honestly
went hunting and couldn't find the stuff.  So, sorry if this is a dumb question,
but this vt100 lock-up problem drives me nuts.

ie. PUT SIMPLY WHAT IS THE TERMINAL TYPE OF A DM WINDOW?????
    SURELY PEOPLE RLOGIN INTO NON APOLLO SYSTEMS WITHOUT USING VT100
    DON"T THEY?

-thanks
-dennis
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