Xref: utzoo sci.med:8882 sci.physics:6032 sci.electronics:5212 Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!ames!amdcad!sun!pitstop!sundc!seismo!uunet!steinmetz!nuke!oconnor From: oconnor@nuke.steinmetz (Dennis M. O'Connor) Newsgroups: sci.med,sci.physics,sci.electronics Subject: Re: Biomedical Measurement "Challenge": Cardiac Output Keywords: biomedical measurements, cardiac output, instrumentation Message-ID: <13175@steinmetz.ge.com> Date: 17 Feb 89 18:52:26 GMT Sender: news@steinmetz.ge.com Reply-To: oconnor%sungod@steinmetz.UUCP Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center Lines: 49 An article by larry@kitty.UUCP (Larry Lippman) says: ] Now the problem: how can we measure cardiac output without ] major surgery to expose the aorta and attach a flowmeter? Well, you could : Inject the subject with a technicium bound into a pyrophosphate compound and place the subject in front of a gamma-ray camera. Record the amount of gamma-rays ( = k*amount of technicium = K*amount of blood ) in the heart using a timescale much finer than a single heartbeat. Calculate the difference beteen the maximum amount of blood in the ventricle during a heartbeat and the minimum amount. Multiply by beats/time-unit to obtain a flow rate. This technique assumes all the valves in the heart are functioning correctly. Or, you could : Use doppler ultrasound on the aorta to measure the velocity, and use an NMR or CAT scan to determine the cross-section, and multiply to obtain the flow rate. Or you could : Inject a VERY small transmitter ( about the size of a red blood cell would be nice, even though that will get stuck in the capillaries ) into a major vein that broadcast a long pseudo-random number and track it using multiple ( at least three ) recievers, using the delay to each receiver to precisely locate the unit, and measure it change in position as it flows through the aorta, then use an NMR or CAT scan to determine the cross-section, and multiply to obtain the flow rate. Or you could : Use bolus injection of a radioisotope and see how quickly it moves to and through the aorta using a gamma-camera, then compute the flow as you did for the radio transmitter. Or you could : Compute the velocity of the flow out through the valve by analysis of the noise it makes as it passes through, then proceed as abover to get the volume of material going thrnough. I thought of heating a section of the aorta with microwaves or a particle accelorator and measuring the cooling rate, monitoring the temperture with a fiber-optic thermometer ( we could use the same fiber to heat it with a laser, come to think of it ) or monitoring the temperature with NMR sensors, but this seems a bit invasive to me ( although not as bad as inserting a flowmeter ). -- Dennis O'Connor oconnor%sungod@steinmetz.UUCP ARPA: OCONNORDM@ge-crd.arpa "...the bastard got away. God always fights on the side of the bad man"