Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!mcvax!hp4nl!botter!star.cs.vu.nl!roelw@cs.vu.nl From: roelw@cs.vu.nl Newsgroups: comp.ai Subject: Chinese Room argument Message-ID: <2121@star.cs.vu.nl> Date: 3 Mar 89 16:21:01 GMT Sender: roelw@cs.vu.nl Reply-To: roelw@cs.vu.nl () Organization: VU Informatica, Amsterdam Lines: 23 It is part of the definition of a Turing machine (TM) that it manipulates symbols on the basis of their form only. The denotation of the symbols, and of expressions built from these symbols, is not relevant for the outcome of the TM computation. How then could a universal TM (i.e. a computer) fed with a program which can answer questions in Chinese ever come to "know" the denotation of the symbols it is manipulating? The outcome of its computation is invariant under changes of denotation of the symbols it manipulates; the people programming the UTM may change the denotation of symbol xyz from chair to table or to anything else, without it making the slightest difference to the computation. In the heated discussion so far, I have seen no answer to the above simple argument. It seems to me that those who believe a UTM could be programmed into understanding the meaning of the symbols it manipulates, either 1. use a nonstandard definition of what a TM is, or 2. use a nonstandard definition of what the denotation of an expression is, or 3. are in the grip of an ideology which prevents them from seeing a simple truth. Roel Wieringa