Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!decwrl!pyramid!ncc!alberta!dvinci!oliphant From: oliphant@dvinci.USask.CA (Mike Oliphant) Newsgroups: comp.ai Subject: Chinese room Message-ID: <1806@dvinci.USask.CA> Date: 3 Mar 89 20:13:11 GMT Organization: University of Saskatchewan Lines: 43 I'm currently taking a first year philosophy class in which the topic of Searle's Chinese room argument came up. Here are my thoughts on the matter: Suppose, for the sake of argument, that we accept Searle's Chinese room example as begin possible - i.e. that it is possible for a machine to appear to external examination to understand when in reality it does not understand. This implies that we could have two machines that react to their environment in exactly the same way, but one does so with understanding while the other does not. Now we must ask the question "Just what can it be that the 'understanding' machine possesses that makes it different?". Since these two machines behave in exactly the same manner, this difference cannot cause any external effects. This causes a problem, as it is not consistent with my concept of understanding that it has no external effects. This problem becomes more apparent when we ask the question "Why do I believe in something called 'understanding'?". It seems to me that most people believe in 'understanding' due to their own introspection. We believe in understanding and we argue about the nature of understanding because we have this internal experience that we call understanding. If this is the case, hasn't this phenomenon of understanding caused something external? Hasn't it caused me to ponder this subject and write this message? I believe it has. So, what possible conclusions can we draw from this? What I conclude is that it is not possible to have two machines that display identical behaviour while one possesses 'understanding' (in the intuitive sense of the word) while the other does not. Understanding is an integral part of behaviour and if you duplicate the behaviour you also duplicate the phenomenon we call understanding. Of course, this conclusion is still based upon the assumption that the Chinese room scenario is plausible. Many will argue that it is not possible to construct a machine that even simulates understanding, but that is a separate (but very important) issue. There are undoubtedly flaws in my reasoning. I encourage any comments/criticism so that I can locate them and (hopefully) patch them up. -Mike Oliphant