Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!pro-pac.cts.com!tsouth From: tsouth@pro-pac.cts.com (System Administrator) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple Subject: Re: GS/OS and programming standards Message-ID: <8903061716.AA02407@crash.cts.com> Date: 6 Mar 89 12:29:36 GMT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: pnet01!pro-simasd!pro-nsfmat!pro-pac!tsouth@nosc.mil Organization: The Internet Lines: 65 >Date: 5 Mar 89 07:27:51 GMT >From: Jeff Erickson >Organization: Claris Corporation, Mountain View CA >Subject: Re: GS/OS and programming standards >Apple pushed GS/OS out before it was ready; likewise with the set >of tools (System 4.0) that go with it. The support from within >Apple for the development (if not the survival) of the IIgs has >been, in my personal opinion, abysmal (sp?). The system is buggy. >VERY buggy. After having worked on the machine for two and >a half years (I started with an Apple II Gumby at StyleWare), I >honestly can't say that I expect things to get better. >My personal advice regarding the Apple IIgs is this: if you NEED >an Apple II, by a IIc+. Otherwise, BUY A MAC!! >Better yet, Jeremy, since you're at CMU, maybe you can get access >to a NeXT. >For legal reasons, I need to spell this out: THESE ARE MY OPINIONS, >AND ARE NOT THE OPINIONS, OFFICIAL OR UNOFFICIAL, OF CLARIS OR ITS >DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. MINE, MINE, MINE, ALL MINE! In fact, these >are about as far from Calris's opinions as you can get. >-- > Any opinions you read here are only opinions in my opinion. >Jeff Erickson krazy@claris.com > "I'm so heppy I'm mizzabil!" -- Krazy Kat >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree, GS/OS was pushed out before it was ready -- but this slowness was due to the resources which were not put into the development (which means I also agree with the abysmal comment). And, I also agree that you are entitled to your own opinion -- having an opinion is what our whole creed is based upon. I just feel so exhausted, though, when I see things like this coming from Apple (and don't tell me Claris is not Apple). Claris adopted the same philosophy which has reigned in Apple for so long; find a cash cow and milk it. Appleworks was and still is that cash cow. It is supposedly one of the top three most selling programs in the history of computers. Yet, with money like that there was literally no timely support for the product, no matter what box it was published in. For that matter, there has yet to be a Claris-made program for the Apple II family (which I know of) that has nothing to do with file servers and is priced in the normal user range. Claris, instead of producing Apple II software, just purchased another company to do the soiled work. Appleworks GS is quite a bear of an accomplishment (Does anyone know if there is any truth to the rumor that AWGS has more than a megabyte of labels???). But, Claris really had little to do with the creation, IMHO. From the outset of the Mac, all the Apple II users have been asking is for some semblence of support for the support that we have given (freely I might add). Believe me, I am not flaming you. I'm just saddened because I know that you are not the only one in 'our' support services which sees certain things in their true light. Be proud that you have the courage to admit it. I sure am. Todd South -- UUCP: {nosc, uunet!cacilj, sdcsvax, hplabs!hp-sdd, sun.COM} ...!crash!pnet01!pro-nsfmat!pro-pac!tsouth ARPA: crash!pnet01!pro-nsfmat!pro-pac!tsouth@nosc.MIL INET: tsouth@pro-pac.CTS.COM - BITNET: pro-pac.UUCP!tsouth@PSUVAX1