Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!unmvax!ncar!noao!asuvax!mcdphx!mcdchg!clyde!sdl!lad From: lad@sdl.UUCP (Lawrence A. Deleski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac Subject: Re: One more time (Re: WHO CARES (was Re: Mac SE for sale) Message-ID: <1162@bub.sdl.UUCP> Date: 2 Mar 89 17:52:26 GMT References: <3672@utastro.UUCP> Distribution: usa Organization: Silicon Compiler Systems, Liberty Corner, NJ Lines: 170 From article <3672@utastro.UUCP>, by werner@utastro.UUCP (Werner Uhrig): > In article <928@stech.UUCP>, sysop@stech.UUCP (Jan Harrington) writes: >> in article <84702@felix.UUCP>, kehr@felix.UUCP (Shirley Kehr) says: >> > In article <1154@bub.sdl.UUCP> lad@sdl.UUCP (Lawrence A. Deleski) writes: > >> >> but there is nothing wrong with posting macs for sale in comp.sys.mac. >> >> How about it netters, wanna vote on this? > I asume you are being rethoric here; if you want to call for a vote > on the purpose of a group, you do that by , at least, cross-posting > in group news.groups. No, I am not. I simply stated a preference, and asked people to agree/disagree with me. I had several people agree with posting for sale items to this group, not one against (except you, of course). I still feel that posting sale equipment to this group is OK, and the majority agrees. > Calling for a vote in a followup article like yours reaches only > the "hardcore" news-junkies (and folks with an axe to grind in this > topic) - anyone who is bothered by for-sale articles and who has > any sense is trying hard to ignore this discussion thread. Bull. And let's get one thing straight, I never 'called for a vote' in the sense of calling for the net.general.audience to vote, I aksed people what they're preference was. Everyone who reads this group is affected by what is decided here, so why not post the question here? [totally silly "free needles" analogy deleted] > discussions were held way back, and misc.for-sale was created > as an outlet for the MINORITY who would insist to abuse this > media for commercial activities and to do so without even restricting > the distribution area of their articles (carelessly and through > ignorance, I don't know what is worse) Whoa. misc.forsale was NOT created for any commercial activity at ALL. I remember the creation of misc.forsale clearly. It was created for 'those wishing to post personal items for sale to the net.community' (taken from the control message, don't ask me why I save these things). And what minority? I remember an overwhelming vote for misc.forsale. But we're straying too far from the original subject... > > look, this is ridiculous. read the classifieds in your local > news-paper, read the bulletin board in your computer store, > read a local BBS-system. You're the one who's being ridiculous. You're making a big deal out of something that should not even be an issue. Explain to me how much better a local newspaper can be versus a worldwide net when it comes to buying/selling equipment. > Because, let me tell you, there are > a lot better bargains to be found there!!! Says you. I've gotten some great deals from the net, and I've even made a few sales. > I suspect, some of you might even be under the impression that the > for-sale articles will give you a "feel" of the used-equipment > market: WRONG, not the articles on this network. Again, your opinion. Not the consensus of the people who read this group. > the fact is that most netters, at any given time, are not in the > market for used equipment, I'd like to see the survey you took to come up with that little gem of information. > and if they are they should be interested > in learning about equipment for-sale "IN DRIVING DISTANCE!!", not > half-way around the globe. (in case you didn't notice, you folks, > carelessly, ignored my remark that I have little problem with for-sale > articles posted to comp.sys.mac with distribution limited to an > area the seller/buyer is willing to travel by car for a demo: Why should anyone limit the ditribution on a posted forsale article when it has a better chance of finding a home with a larger distribution? Your agruments don't make sense. It seems you only get mad when you read articles posted by someone NOT within driving distance of your home. > the message you should have gotten is (and a little investigation > might have led you to it) that commercial gain messages are against > the rules of the game and are, explicitly, disallowed at many of > the major backbone sites. Thanks for telling us something we already know. I haven't seen a posted article from a commercial concern in ages, and I read thses groups every day. When someone does post an article that is obviously a commercial entity trying to sell to the net it is trounced upon with cat-like swiftness. > That the net-gods, in their wisdom and > knowing that there are always bozos who will disregard the wishes > of the ones paying the bills, and who will insist that they deserve > a forum to do with as they please in their little corner of the net > where they pay the bills, well, the gods decided to create a top > level msg-class "misc" and below it "misc.for-sale", thus making it > possible for those companies who choose not to support for-sale > articles, to simply not propagate a whole class of messages. You are simply WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. misc.forsale is for private postings only. No commercial posts at all. That's the was it's been for as long as I can remember. > you folks remind me of the telephone and door-to-door solicitors > who act surprised when I tell them that they are abusing my time You remind me of the old guy who used to live at the end of my street when I was a kid. Man, he would bitch about EVERYTHING, kids, taxes, cars, you name it, he bitched about it. He died. > so, to conclude, that because posting to misc.for-sale doesn't > work, but posting to comp.sys.mac led to a sale, ergo posting > for-sale articles to comp.sys.mac is both accepted and effective > is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG !!! No, your idea that you are right about this is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG !!! You don't have a shred of support for your argument, except that it pisses you off. Well, I'm afraid that ain't good enough. > you abuse the privilege of having your > articles to comp.sys.mac broadcasted by those sites trusting that > you will not abuse it with commercial gains articles, and you are You do not have one shred of evidence suggesting that any article recently posted was posted by someone who was not selling it for personal purposed only. You rag on and on about something you can't even prove! Either accept it the way it is or give it up. [stuff deleted about how Werner thinks we are 'nuisances'] > lovely concept, isn't it ?!?! especially if it's not just your > neighbor but THE WHOLE FREAKING WORLD that knocks on your electronic > door .... plus, you end up paying for the phone-call !!! I got a simple solution for you: DON'T READ THE FREAKING GROUP!!! -- Lawrence A. Deleski | Silicon Compiler Systems uunet!clyde!sdl!bub!lad | 15 Independence Blvd. Cash-We-Serve 76127,104 | Warren, NJ 07060 MABELL: (201) 580-0102 | Ext. 283