Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!ames!pasteur!ucbvax!hplabs!hpda!hpcuhc!hpsemc!mbk From: mbk@hpsemc.HP.COM (Miles Kehoe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac Subject: Re: Apple responds (was Your chance to ask Apple) Message-ID: <620020@hpsemc.HP.COM> Date: 3 Mar 89 19:55:58 GMT References: <26279@apple.Apple.COM> Organization: HP Technology Access Center, Cupertino, CA Lines: 55 The truth is that Silicon Valley has grown up, become a 'mature market', and risks losing touch with the people who made it the success it is. This isn't a flame at Apple... most companies do the same sort of thing. I can understand that an active developer support program costs a bundle. Apple has been among the leaders in providing excellent high quality support for years. In fact, I would argue that one reason Apple has been so successful in the end user market is because of their investment in developer support. Sadly, when bean counters start to propogate and 'cost jusitification studies' become rampant, a company stands to lose its edge. Soon things that were 'givaways' which made the company profitable come under scrutiny and a VP of Finance somewhere sets in place a program so that 'every program has to pay for itself'. The newly modified developers program at Apple is just a recent instance of this sad fact of corporate life. The previous note in this thread claimed that the cost of a $70 million per year program was just too high to go without breaking even. For the last 10 years, most of that cost was justified because the profit from selling tons of system made Apple highly profitable. Now, someone who has not seen (or possibly just can't quantify) the contribution to profit of an active developers' program has put in place a program to charge money for the service. I really do not fault Apple here - my company has done the same sort of thing in several places, and each time the effect has been the demand decreases for the service. I'm sure the $70M expense will end up much lower in the coming years, even if it does look more profitable 'on paper'. (Remember last Fall when Apple raised prices and became much less profitable inthe process? Notice that prices are lower again - and, of course, so is the stock) I guess the invitation I'd make to all who have anything to do with developer programs and/or system sales is this: Is Apple (read 'any hardware manufacturer' really) doing the software developers a favor by helping them write code on their platform, or are the developers doing Apple a service? Most corporate managers seem to feel the hardware manufacturer is the one doing a favor 'helping out' the developer - often "just at break-even cost". I'd propose that it is the developer who is doing the hardware manufacturer the favor. To paraphrase an ad for PC software I saw a few years ago: How many uses can you think of for a computer without software? My employer, sadly, does not agree with my statements, and would probably disavow them if they knew. mbk@hp