Xref: utzoo comp.misc:5452 sci.crypt:1649 Path: utzoo!utgpu!watmath!maytag!water!ymchee From: ymchee@water.waterloo.edu (Yeow Meng Chee) Newsgroups: comp.misc,sci.crypt Subject: Re: DES Busting--Let's See Some Proof! Message-ID: <2151@water.waterloo.edu> Date: 12 Mar 89 04:42:42 GMT References: <15057@cup.portal.com> <5555@abo.fi> <6096@abo.fi> <800@Portia.Stanford.EDU> Organization: U of Waterloo, Ontario Lines: 18 In article <800@Portia.Stanford.EDU>, foo@Portia.Stanford.EDU (castor fu) writes: > Although the Russian rumor is suspect, in a class I have been sitting in on > the professor said that Adi Shamir (MIT) claims to have broken (in some sense > which is not clear) a modified DES > where only 8 rounds of encryption instead of the normal sixteen are used. > ^ ^^^^^^^ > > -Castor Fu > foo@portia.stanford.edu There is a general phenomena called Combinatorial Explosion which is inherent in many combinatorial problems: for any problem, there is an integer N such that it is possible to solve the problem of size N-1 by hand, the problem of size N can be solved on a computer, and the problem of size N+1 cannot be solved on even the fastest computer around in reasonable time. So breaking DES with 8 rounds does not really imply that DES with 16 rounds can be broken in reasonable time.